PV and his role in ballistic manipulation.

[Jane]

I'm seriously trying to think of someone who wasn't involved in the manipulation and framing of Bamber, it doesn't matter who enters the scene, they're corrupt and litigated, well other than "Taff"  Doesn't matter how the debate goes, it ends with "they was corrupt"  the flat mates, the police, the raid team, the Patholigist, the Lab technicians, the cleaner all corrupt and have to be careful now.     

You and me both, HB! It seems to me that there may be a lot of internalized anger going on? Something from way back may have become become 'lodged' and blown up out of all proportion in order to name so many as corrupt. Oh! Before I'm accused of using "Psychobabble", those words aren't mine.

[Roch]

You and me both, HB! It seems to me that there may be a lot of internalized anger going on? Something from way back may have become become 'lodged' and blown up out of all proportion in order to name so many as corrupt. Oh! Before I'm accused of using "Psychobabble", those words aren't mine.

Can you please provide a figure of how many 'corrupt' people are normally involved in MOJ's that have been discovered so far? Is there an average figure that could give use a guide?

[Hardy Boy]

I'm not sure it's being put in those terms HB. But in my.opinion, PV has some difficult questions to answer.  TFG have stayed quiet for decades, leaving most media appearances to the second investigation team. I know we've had Bews and one or two others, but it's very noticeable how silent TFG have remained. 

If you think about it, there have been many wrongful convictions. I very much doubt that only a few people were behind them in each case. There are different levels of involvement. A witness doesn't realise that their full statement isn't used. Doesn't realise something is left off or the meaning is changed. A scientist has agreed a line of questioning with a prosecution barister, that doesn't reveal the full truth.

Roch, what have the TFG got to answer to anyone for, they wasn't in long enough.  They went in did their job, made sure the area was secure and came out.  They give details about Nevill'e position and the rest of the bodies, they owned up to the fact they thought it was a female in the kitchen at first.  One even say's how he had to move around Neville in the chair to get to the stairs.  They talk of a lot of blood around his head and it had dripped onto the floor leaving a pool etc.

What else do we need from the TFG who spent probably the least amount of time in WHF and did  their job and went to debrief and probably had some bad after experiences or flashbacks to what they came accross, especially the two little boys.  Would you want to keep re-living that, just because some crackpot say's they moved the body.


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[Jane]

Can you please provide a figure of how many 'corrupt' people are normally involved in MOJ's that have been discovered so far? Is there an average figure that could give use a guide?

No! But I'm not going down the road of believing if it happened in other cases, it had to have happened in JB's so we'll carry on pointing fingers until we find something. If we can find someone who has an axe to grind and is willing to stick the knife in, so much the better, eh?

[Roch]

Roch, what have the TFG got to answer to anyone for, they wasn't in long enough.  They went in did their job, made sure the area was secure and came out.  They give details about Nevill'e position and the rest of the bodies, they owned up to the fact they thought it was a female in the kitchen at first.  One even say's how he had to move around Neville in the chair to get to the stairs.  They talk of a lot of blood around his head and it had dripped onto the floor leaving a pool etc.

What else do we need from the TFG who spent probably the least amount of time in WHF and did  their job and went to debrief and probably had some bad after experiences or flashbacks to what they came accross, especially the two little boys.  Would you want to keep re-living that, just because some crackpot say's they moved the body.


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I disagree HB. I think there is no way on earth you will get them interviewed in the media.  There's more chance of EP releasing the original file they made for Sheila as the murderer.

We know that statements were rewritten on a certain day in September or October.

We know the raid team complained twice about Sheila's crime scene, and had to be slapped down by Taff.

We know they wore open mics and recordings were taken.

[Hardy Boy]

Can you please provide a figure of how many 'corrupt' people are normally involved in MOJ's that have been discovered so far? Is there an average figure that could give use a guide?

I'm all for exposing corrupt Police or MOJ'S Roch and i think the biggest part of posters who came on here thought this was an MOJ in the first Place. 

[Roch]

No! But I'm not going down the road of believing if it happened in other cases, it had to have happened in JB's so we'll carry on pointing fingers until we find something. If we can find someone who has an axe to grind and is willing to stick the knife in, so much the better, eh?

Well it's just you seem to believe there there is only one or two corrupt people in previous MOJ's.

Why dont you start by studying Drake's MOJ's and Vanezis' MOJ.  Seems a good starting point. Come back and tell us how many people were involved.

[Hardy Boy]

You and me both, HB! It seems to me that there may be a lot of internalized anger going on? Something from way back may have become become 'lodged' and blown up out of all proportion in order to name so many as corrupt. Oh! Before I'm accused of using "Psychobabble", those words aren't mine.

Doesn't matter who surfice's above the parapet they're corrupt.  Look at Brett Collins, he came out and said what he thought and he must have been paid. 

[Roch]

Doesn't matter who surfice's above the parapet they're corrupt.  Look at Brett Collins, he came out and said what he thought and he must have been paid.

Fair point. I don't know if there was anything in it for him. If there was I reckon it would be hush hush behind the scenes.

[Jane]

Well it's just you seem to believe there there is only one or two corrupt people in previous MOJ's.

Why dont you start by studying Drake's MOJ's and Vanezis' MOJ.  Seems a good starting point. Come back and tell us how many people were involved.

No! This is you making two and two make five. Howz about you find  ANY professional who hasn't made mistakes somewhere in their career. The legal profession put people in prison/keep people OUT of prison -watch the outcry when that happens! Doctors bury their mistakes. Accountants disappear, with company pension funds, to live lives of luxury.

[Jane]

Fair point. I don't know if there was anything in it for him. If there was I reckon it would be hush hush behind the scenes.

See! You're doing it again! It seems nobody but nobody who's involved in the JB case is free of the taint of corruption!

[Hardy Boy]

Well it's just you seem to believe there there is only one or two corrupt people in previous MOJ's.

Why dont you start by studying Drake's MOJ's and Vanezis' MOJ.  Seems a good starting point. Come back and tell us how many people were involved.

In Court and at trial is very different what you imagine Roch, i think the gathering of evidence and availability of evidence has tightened up to what it used to be and there is more pressure on the police when questioning.  In Court, being a defendant or Victim your at the hands of the Judge and Barristers, it's the way it is and the way it will always be i'm afraid.  Things get held back from the Jury during discussion between the Prosecution and defence, everything doesn't get brought up at trial.

[Hardy Boy]

In Court and at trial is very different what you imagine Roch, i think the gathering of evidence and availability of evidence has tightened up to what it used to be and there is more pressure on the police when questioning.  In Court, being a defendant or Victim your at the hands of the Judge and Barristers, it's the way it is and the way it will always be i'm afraid.  Things get held back from the Jury during discussion between the Prosecution and defence, everything doesn't get brought up at trial.

Trust me as well Roch, the holding back of evidence doesn't always help the accuser, another factor at play is how much cash are you willing to spend on your defence.

[Roch]

No! This is you making two and two make five. Howz about you find  ANY professional who hasn't made mistakes somewhere in their career. The legal profession put people in prison/keep people OUT of prison -watch the outcry when that happens! Doctors bury their mistakes. Accountants disappear, with company pension funds, to live lives of luxury.

Jane I'll just take your reply as having bottled the challenge. Your current reasoning on the case seems to be on an extreme fringe.

[Jane]

I disagree HB. I think there is no way on earth you will get them interviewed in the media.  There's more chance of EP releasing the original file they made for Sheila as the murderer.

We know that statements were rewritten on a certain day in September or October.

We know the raid team complained twice about Sheila's crime scene, and had to be slapped down by Taff.

We know they wore open mics and recordings were taken.

How could statements not be rewritten? The first statements had Sheila as being the culprit, I imagine because of 'the tableau' backed up by JB's 'story' which was ultimately found not to be true.  The 'tableau' then went from organic to arranged. As for the raid teams' complaints/open mics/recordings? Much of that story came from MT! Now, if you're looking for corruption..................