The beauty of THREE marks for supporters

[Adam]

June was shot 5 times in bed. As the cartridges and bed sheets show.

This is not surprising as it was around 2am.

Bamber was not taking any chances as to whether she was dead or not later on. So fired shots 6 & 7.

[Bubo bubo]

Well BUBO BUBO, your Mr so called Expert Phillip Boyce made the same claim as me 12 years back, take alook at this video 3mins in.............

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeLsEeE0zTI

The issue of the burns was that the firing of the rifle did not create enough heat to cause the burns but if heated to 200c it could. The main thrust of the investigation was that the SM was not used when SC was shot. The matter of the burns was left unresolved. "It is not known how the rifle became that hot".

However there is another possibility irrespective of the base material or any plating.

Aga door handles can indeed get quite hot. If you’re experiencing excessive heat, it might be due to worn-out insulation or missing door washers. These washers help reduce heat transfer, so replacing them could improve efficiency.

Given Jane's suggestion about the lack of maintenance by the family in general this may indeed have caused the oval burn mark. Without a test as to which parts of the handle would get the hottest we cannot be certain but nevertheless it does not rule out the handle.

As well as the handle the door can become heated by other means as is shown here.

https://www.blakeandbull.co.uk/pages/how-to-replace-the-door-washers-on-an-aga-range-cooker

[Bubo bubo]

From BUBO........................To develop my thinking further I offer the following.

June was not trying to Kill SC, rather she was trying to stop her from beating NB. She says she will shoot but SC in her psychotic state ignores her. June fires the 410 and SC is hit at the margins of the spray dispersal and or by ricochet..................................Question ; Could June have summoned the ambulance at 06.09 because she had wounded SC.

Clearly this was about some possibilities. I was only theorising not claiming. The warning shot was not aimed at her per se

Talk about bullshit. 1 Since when have you been a forensic scientist to the extent you can make such claims. The so called hollow centre was more likely due to an area of contact where the Heat Retardant plating had not been eroded. 2 As far as I am aware nobody has claimed that June shot SC.  3 I only suggested I did not claim a 410 shotgun had been fired.

You misquote and mislead all the time. This is not the first time I have pointed out how you operate. You twist the facts to support your claims. You seem to have taken a leaf out of George's playbook. Is this a feature of guilt supporter posting.

You prove my point about misquoting. I did not claim either of the points you raise as fact they were just hypothesising and that is clear from the full wording.
HB quote
The more outlandish the claims, the worse it gets for Jeremy Bamber,   June shot Sheila, the police shot June, Neville was moved from in front of the AGA to the chair [to burn materials] the police shot Sheila for a recoverable wound, a 410 shotgun was fired in the Kitchen.....................the BS is endless.
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[Jane]

Wrong
My explanation is also valid and since the handle is convex and not concave your explanation falls. Metals can be coated with retardant materials as my quote shows. You just don't like my explanation.

You will never change stance even when presented with strong evidence.

So says Mr Oneupmanship! I hope posters have noted that they key word is "can", which is rather different from "are". Ours definitely does not have such coating, and I'll hazard a guess that the Bambers didn't either -although I rather wish it had because if the handles had been so 'treated', your 'theory is blown out of the water. Might it not also follow that if we wished to have such a coating, it would require the services of an Aga engineer. Re-chroming or applying "retardant materials"? It makes little difference.

[Jane]

The issue of the burns was that the firing of the rifle did not create enough heat to cause the burns but if heated to 200c it could. The main thrust of the investigation was that the SM was not used when SC was shot. The matter of the burns was left unresolved. "It is not known how the rifle became that hot".

However there is another possibility irrespective of the base material or any plating.

Aga door handles can indeed get quite hot. If you’re experiencing excessive heat, it might be due to worn-out insulation or missing door washers. These washers help reduce heat transfer, so replacing them could improve efficiency.

Given Jane's suggestion about the lack of maintenance by the family in general this may indeed have caused the oval burn mark. Without a test as to which parts of the handle would get the hottest we cannot be certain but nevertheless it does not rule out the handle.

As well as the handle the door can become heated by other means as is shown here.

https://www.blakeandbull.co.uk/pages/how-to-replace-the-door-washers-on-an-aga-range-cooker

The only maintenance an Aga requires is a yearly service, and there's nothing to say the Bambers didn't. Are you just doing this to be Agamentative?

[Hardy Boy]

Clearly this was about some possibilities. I was only theorising not claiming. The warning shot was not aimed at her per se

You prove my point about misquoting. I did not claim either of the points you raise as fact they were just hypothesising and that is clear from the full wording.
HB quote
The more outlandish the claims, the worse it gets for Jeremy Bamber,   June shot Sheila, the police shot June, Neville was moved from in front of the AGA to the chair [to burn materials] the police shot Sheila for a recoverable wound, a 410 shotgun was fired in the Kitchen.....................the BS is endless.

In other words, your talking BULLSHIT like i claimed.

[Jane]

So they've not recommend changing the door handles due to wear and tear then Jane and heat resistant coating [HRC] as it's known loss?

No, HB! And if it was considered to be important, for safety reasons, they'd send them out from the factory, already coated, wouldn't they?

[Bubo bubo]

In other words, your talking BULLSHIT like i claimed.

Hypothesising is not bullshit but deliberately misquoting is.

[Jane]

Hypothesising is not bullshit but deliberately misquoting is.

Did you not say "June fired the 402(?) and SC was hit"? Can you clarify why it is that your BS is labelled as hypothesis, whilst everyone else is claimed to have been "misquoting", lying, or talking BS?

[Bubo bubo]

Did you not say "June fired the 402(?) and SC was hit"? Can you clarify why it is that your BS is labelled as hypothesis, whilst everyone else is claimed to have been "misquoting", lying, or talking BS?

It is clear from the whole text that I was hypothesising. Unlike guilt supporters I am willing to open my mind to alternative narratives.  I agree with the CT.

  "An untruthful and inaccurate scenario was then created by the police at a later stage in an attempt to implicate Jeremy Bamber"

Please give some examples. I strongly object to misquoting my position. I have asked the moderators on numerous occasions to reprimand Adam who is the worst offender. Incidentally Rob had a run in with him for the same reason. But I will if I am so minded, point out these misquotes and any posts which misrepresent the written facts as lies.

[Jane]

It is clear from the whole text that I was hypothesising. Unlike guilt supporters I am willing to open my mind to alternative narratives.  I agree with the CT.

  "An untruthful and inaccurate scenario was then created by the police at a later stage in an attempt to implicate Jeremy Bamber"

Please give some examples. I strongly object to misquoting my position. I have asked the moderators on numerous occasions to reprimand Adam who is the worst offender. Incidentally Rob had a run in with him for the same reason. But I will if I am so minded, point out these misquotes and any posts which misrepresent the written facts as lies.

Mmm? Well, perhaps before constantly pointing the finger at other posters' perceived lack intelligence if they disagree with your 'claims' -if you don't believe me, you only have to read your posts- you might care care to look at yourself?

It seems to me that, if you feel backed into a corner, you claim hypothesis. However, rarely is such obvious in your posts which appear to be claiming fact.

[Hardy Boy]

Mmm? Well, perhaps before constantly pointing the finger at other posters' perceived lack intelligence if they disagree with your 'claims' -if you don't believe me, you only have to read your posts- you might care care to look at yourself?

It seems to me that, if you feel backed into a corner, you claim hypothesis. However, rarely is such obvious in your posts which appear to be claiming fact.

You get the feeling BUBO is embarassed by their past claims, Bubo can call it whatever they want, i call it out for what it is.

[Bubo bubo]

You get the feeling BUBO is embarassed by their past claims, Bubo can call it whatever they want, i call it out for what it is.

Who do you mean by 'their'. I do not agree wholeheartedly  with the CT and from what they say without access to materials they have I have some reservations. As far as Boyce is concerned I think he has acted within the remit he was given and the facts that were available at that time.

As Maynard Keynes said

The difficulty lies, not in the new ideas, but in escaping from the old ones.
When the facts change I change my mind

[Hardy Boy]

Who do you mean by 'their'. I do not agree wholeheartedly  with the CT and from what they say without access to materials they have I have some reservations. As far as Boyce is concerned I think he has acted within the remit he was given and the facts that were available at that time.

As Maynard Keynes said

The difficulty lies, not in the new ideas, but in escaping from the old ones.
When the facts change I change my mind

Well first i don't know if your a man or a woman and second by saying THEIR i mean belonging to.   Any ideas you put out there,  you have to own them or say it's the usual BUBO  LOCKS

[Hardy Boy]

Who do you mean by 'their'. I do not agree wholeheartedly  with the CT and from what they say without access to materials they have I have some reservations. As far as Boyce is concerned I think he has acted within the remit he was given and the facts that were available at that time.

As Maynard Keynes said

The difficulty lies, not in the new ideas, but in escaping from the old ones.
When the facts change I change my mind

Boyce has not Addressed who moved him and why, he hasn't took into Account the Police statements and he hasn't took into account the Patholigist report on Neville Bamber,  he has just had his Palms crossed with more silver and produced a poorly made video going against his original claims.