The beauty of THREE marks for supporters

[Hardy Boy]

I think experts have ruled out the poker as having made the marks. The Aga scenario is interesting.

It was suggested Steve at trial, because there was a poker next to the Aga, this could have been used, also it was included in the Dickenson Report?  Rather a coincidence that the tear is at the same level on the PJ's as the marks though?  This could explain why the PJ's was still on him?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1168.0;attach=5981;image

[Hardy Boy]

It was suggested Steve at trial, because there was a poker next to the Aga, this could have been used, also it was included in the Dickenson Report?  Rather a coincidence that the tear is at the same level on the PJ's as the marks though?  This could explain why the PJ's was still on him?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1168.0;attach=5981;image

If Neville is slumped forward as per picture and his arms are dangling down in the drooped position, this would stretch the PJ fabric and open up the hole exposing the bare skin?  Try it?

[Hardy Boy]

If Neville is slumped forward as per picture and his arms are dangling down in the drooped position, this would stretch the PJ fabric and open up the hole exposing the bare skin?  Try it?

By leaning forward as per Neville, with his arms drooping down, this in turn pulls on his lats and broadens his back which would stretch the PJ's exposing the hole in the PJ to bare skin.

[ILB]

I did post proof. Months ago - Gunfire Graffiti.

ILB says he lied.

RB also says it's easy to see at night.

ILB says RB lied.

His source was picked apart by me. Reference his own words and timings and picture sources.

[ILB]

Why has no one ever said the Sea Wall cannot be cycled at night?

Hundreds would have been there over the last 38 years. Interested in or working on the case.

Was initially a 1000

Adam gave ' one source '

999 to go.

Adam offered 1000 sources. I never prompted him to do so.

[Adam]

His source was picked apart by me. Reference his own words and timings and picture sources.

Two sources. Of course you did - 'they lied'.

[Adam]

Was initially a 1000

Adam gave ' one source '

999 to go.

Adam offered 1000 sources. I never prompted him to do so.

Why has no one from either side ever said the Sea Wall cannot be cycled at night?

[ILB]

Why has no one from either side ever said the Sea Wall cannot be cycled at night?

They have according to you.

999, without you producing any.

But why would anyone when common sense dictates otherwise?

[Bubo bubo]

Worth another read

The thing is HB, if the Aga did make the marks then this is in Bambers favour,however if it had been accepted long ago that the rifle barrel made the marks it still would not have proven who was holding the rifle at the time,hence the findings would have favoured no one.

Nevill lying against the Aga has to favour Bamber unless you believe that the police moved Nevill upon entry.Even then the police would have some explaining to do.

And one other thing,if Bamber killed Nevill and left him lying against the Aga he would have known what made the marks,and it goes without saying that he must have known that the rifle did not make the marks.So why waste precious time and money trying to prove that the rifle DID make the marks?
Senseless surely.

I have always thought that its the things that JB hasn't known about or brought up that points to his innocence.

Of course if JB had left NB by the AGA he would know the police had moved him and he would have directed his thinking and strategy to expose this but in a way that did not implicate him if he was guilty

If innocent and naïve he would not have considered it at all after all he knew it was SC and with her mental issues, easily capable For most of the time since the tragedy efforts have been made to re-address key issues but has been hampered and restricted by lack of disclosure and the pace of the legal systems.

From the start I have tried to develop an alternative narrative to that put up by the police and which is documented in law.

[Bubo bubo]

The thing is HB, if the Aga did make the marks then this is in Bambers favour,however if it had been accepted long ago that the rifle barrel made the marks it still would not have proven who was holding the rifle at the time,hence the findings would have favoured no one.

Nevill lying against the Aga has to favour Bamber unless you believe that the police moved Nevill upon entry.Even then the police would have some explaining to do.

And one other thing,if Bamber killed Nevill and left him lying against the Aga he would have known what made the marks,and it goes without saying that he must have known that the rifle did not make the marks.So why waste precious time and money trying to prove that the rifle DID make the marks?
Senseless surely.

I have always thought that its the things that JB hasn't known about or brought up that points to his innocence.

In the early stages JB was trying to prove that the rifle did not have a SM fitted. The SM evidence and JM's testimony were the only real evidence against him and had to be challenged. All the other information was according to Steve-UK purely circumstantial.

[snow66!]

Worth another read

Of course if JB had left NB by the AGA he would know the police had moved him and he would have directed his thinking and strategy to expose this but in a way that did not implicate him if he was guilty

If innocent and naïve he would not have considered it at all after all he knew it was SC and with her mental issues, easily capable For most of the time since the tragedy efforts have been made to key issues but has been hampered and restricted by lack of disclosure and the pace of the legal systems.

From the start I have tried to develop an alternative narrative to that put up by the police and which is documented in law.

Exactly,well said Bubo. JBs actions regarding the burns to Nevill and also the blue Bible have to point to his innocence surely!
When he was told the Bible had been destroyed before his trial he made little fuss,yet he must have set the Bible up with finger prints and possibly the suicide note that Stan Jones spoke of,this was his alibi,yet he just accepted that the police had destroyed it.

[Bubo bubo]

Exactly,well said Bubo. JBs actions regarding the burns to Nevill and also the blue Bible have to point to his innocence surely!
When he was told the Bible had been destroyed before his trial he made little fuss,yet he must have set the Bible up with finger prints and possibly the suicide note that Stan Jones spoke of,this was his alibi,yet he just accepted that the police had destroyed it.

Thanks Snow. It is ridiculous to suggest that JB would test for signs of life. He would not waste precious time. Even George tells us that he was acting with time constraints.

[snow66!]

Thanks Snow. It is ridiculous to suggest that JB would test for signs of life. He would not waste precious time. Even George tells us that he was acting with time constraints.

I think the likes of Carruso and Vanezis should be speaking up and giving their opinion about the Aga evidence Bubo.
Still,I suppose that would be inapropriate while the evidence is being considered at the moment by the CCRC!

[Adam]

Exactly,well said Bubo. JBs actions regarding the burns to Nevill and also the blue Bible have to point to his innocence surely!
When he was told the Bible had been destroyed before his trial he made little fuss,yet he must have set the Bible up with finger prints and possibly the suicide note that Stan Jones spoke of,this was his alibi,yet he just accepted that the police had destroyed it.

The bible was very incriminating for Bamber.

[Rob_]

The bible was very incriminating for Bamber.

Why is that Adam?