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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #195 on: September 28, 2023, 12:58:PM »
Yes Nevill probably heard Sheila moving about the house when she went to soak in her knickers.

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« Reply #196 on: September 28, 2023, 03:19:PM »
Yep, this is what I have tried to indicate but it's falling on deaf ears.
Of course Nevill may have woken up with concussion and brain damage Zoso,but he died soon after anyway remember,so it would have made no difference.

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« Reply #197 on: September 28, 2023, 03:28:PM »
Of course Nevill may have woken up with concussion and brain damage Zoso,but he died soon after anyway remember,so it would have made no difference.
He couldn't have, he made a phone call to Bamber after being out cold for four hours and nursing three burn marks to his back and never mentioned anything to JB.

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« Reply #198 on: September 28, 2023, 03:34:PM »
Of course Nevill may have woken up with concussion and brain damage Zoso,but he died soon after anyway remember,so it would have made no difference.


So how would he have been coherent enough to be lucid when making a phone call?

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« Reply #199 on: September 28, 2023, 05:11:PM »
He couldn't have, he made a phone call to Bamber after being out cold for four hours and nursing three burn marks to his back and never mentioned anything to JB.
We dont know yet how long the burns took to form HB,but if they occurred before Nevill phoned JB at 3.10 we have roughly four hours or so to play with,about 11.00 until 3.00.Boyce will have carried out experiments to determine this,although,as Bubo has pointed out,Boyce is working on the assumption that Nevill was already dead while he lying against the Aga,and besides,how do you get a living person to lie against a hot Aga and be experimented on?
Anyway,we will just have to wait and see what Boyce has come up with.

As for the marks,they seemed to be deep third degree burns with the skin destroyed so Nevill would have felt no pain from them and been oblivious to their existence,besides,his attention would have focussed on his thumping sore head.
As for making the call to JB,we dont know the severity of the brain trauma caused by the blow to the head.Amnesia may not have been present,all he may have remembered was Sheila smashing the rifle over his head,hence'Sheila's gone crazy and she's got the gun,youv'e got to help'. Thats obviously all he would have known at that stage and therefore slammed down the phone to rush upstairs and see just what Sheila had done.

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« Reply #200 on: September 28, 2023, 05:48:PM »

So how would he have been coherent enough to be lucid when making a phone call?
The brain is a complicated thing Jane,remember the soldier in 'Tumbledown'? He could still talk as they airlifted him from the battle scene.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #201 on: September 28, 2023, 06:01:PM »
The first thing Nevill would do after waking is look for Sheila and check on June, Daniel & Nicholas.

He had been knocked out by Sheila holding a rifle.

He certainly wouldn't start ringing Bamber's AM. Then put his pyjama top on.
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« Reply #202 on: September 28, 2023, 06:03:PM »
Agree with Snow Nevill did not ring the police.
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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #203 on: September 28, 2023, 06:13:PM »
Agree with Snow Nevill did not ring the police.
Just JB Adam? Thats good enough.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #204 on: September 28, 2023, 06:19:PM »
Just JB Adam? Thats good enough.

Pity Nevill didn't leave the door open for him.
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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #205 on: September 28, 2023, 07:03:PM »
The brain is a complicated thing Jane,remember the soldier in 'Tumbledown'? He could still talk as they airlifted him from the battle scene.

But clearly couldn't walk around, let alone climb stairs. He mentioned nothing to Bamber?? This has more holes than a Swiss cheese

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #206 on: September 28, 2023, 07:17:PM »
We dont know yet how long the burns took to form HB,but if they occurred before Nevill phoned JB at 3.10 we have roughly four hours or so to play with,about 11.00 until 3.00.Boyce will have carried out experiments to determine this,although,as Bubo has pointed out,Boyce is working on the assumption that Nevill was already dead while he lying against the Aga,and besides,how do you get a living person to lie against a hot Aga and be experimented on?
Anyway,we will just have to wait and see what Boyce has come up with.

As for the marks,they seemed to be deep third degree burns with the skin destroyed so Nevill would have felt no pain from them and been oblivious to their existence,besides,his attention would have focussed on his thumping sore head.
As for making the call to JB,we dont know the severity of the brain trauma caused by the blow to the head.Amnesia may not have been present,all he may have remembered was Sheila smashing the rifle over his head,hence'Sheila's gone crazy and she's got the gun,youv'e got to help'. Thats obviously all he would have known at that stage and therefore slammed down the phone to rush upstairs and see just what Sheila had done.
I don't think they were deep, it was suggested hot enough to burn through Pyjama's and not burn them, but hot enough to superficially burn the skin?   Knight thought they were Bruises and Rivlin put to Vanezis that they were almost certainly NOT burn marks, they show none of the features of burn marks, such as for example peeling of the skin margins, it was suggested by Vanezis that it was almost  like a tattooing of the skin.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #207 on: September 28, 2023, 07:25:PM »
But clearly couldn't walk around, let alone climb stairs. He mentioned nothing to Bamber?? This has more holes than a Swiss cheese
What could he have mentioned to Bamber Zoso?

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #208 on: September 28, 2023, 07:29:PM »
I don't think they were deep, it was suggested hot enough to burn through Pyjama's and not burn them, but hot enough to superficially burn the skin?   Knight thought they were Bruises and Rivlin put to Vanezis that they were almost certainly NOT burn marks, they show none of the features of burn marks, such as for example peeling of the skin margins, it was suggested by Vanezis that it was almost  like a tattooing of the skin.
It's rather Bizzare really, the Prosecution at trial said they were burn Marks and the defence argued that they wasn't, now they want to overturn his conviction and argue they are burn marks afterall caused by the AGA and want to blame the police for moving him or Sheila knocked him unconciouss for hours before killing him.  Rivlin, "These marks are almost certainly not burn marks" "they show none of the features of burns"

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #209 on: September 28, 2023, 07:32:PM »
What could he have mentioned to Bamber Zoso?
Sheila's going crazy, she's just wacked me and knocked me out for hours and iv'e burnt my f...ing back  ;D ;D ;D  Now she's running around with a rifle.