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Offline Roch

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #90 on: September 26, 2023, 04:59:PM »
Boyce needs to stick to his area of expertise. 

There's no evidence the police moved Nevill.  Both pathologists agreed rm was consistent with his found position. 

Numerous means of heating a metal implement to inflict burns but there's no evidence of it happening here.

The original clam from MT was that Nevill was toppled when they forced entry. He claimed that's why the coal scuttle was used.

I'm not that interested in the Aga evidence tbh. I'm more of a wounds man myself... if you hadn't already guessed.

Anyway, thought you would have at least checked the Manchester video on my profile and commented about it on the relevant thread  😏
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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #91 on: September 26, 2023, 05:07:PM »
Boyce needs to stick to his area of expertise. 

There's no evidence the police moved Nevill.  Both pathologists agreed rm was consistent with his found position. 

Numerous means of heating a metal implement to inflict burns but there's no evidence of it happening here.

Except for the 3 marks on Nevill's back.
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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #92 on: September 26, 2023, 05:57:PM »
Except for the 3 marks on Nevill's back.

Oh yes you reminded me the marks are burns! 

Pathologists could not be sure they were recent.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #93 on: September 26, 2023, 05:59:PM »
The original clam from MT was that Nevill was toppled when they forced entry. He claimed that's why the coal scuttle was used.

I'm not that interested in the Aga evidence tbh. I'm more of a wounds man myself... if you hadn't already guessed.

Anyway, thought you would have at least checked the Manchester video on my profile and commented about it on the relevant thread  😏

MT?  Michael Turner?  Nuff said. 

I'll have a look at your tagline. 

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #94 on: September 26, 2023, 06:01:PM »
MT?  Michael Turner?  Nuff said. 

I'll have a look at your tagline.

Mike Tesko.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #95 on: September 26, 2023, 06:25:PM »
Proving that the Aga made those marks would be near on impossible from the photo's Snow, especially when you have had previous experts all say different things.  Vanezis was unsure, Knight didn't even think they was Burn marks he thought they was Bruises and the Arizona test expert has already given his opinion that they was caused by the rifle, if anything i thought this would have carried more weight for Jeremy with the CCRC, especially saying that they was caused without the silencer attached. i think the Dickinson report leans more to and attribute's the marks to a poker.?
Not so hard to prove what made the marks from photos really HB,the beauty is that they have survived and have a tape measure along side the marks showing the EXACT spacings between them  which is crucial when comparing them with the images on Boyces pig skin.

How can the CCRC study the images of Nevills back and the pig skin images and deny that the marks were made by the same source? Not a chance if the spacings are identical surely?


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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #96 on: September 26, 2023, 07:12:PM »
Not so hard to prove what made the marks from photos really HB,the beauty is that they have survived and have a tape measure along side the marks showing the EXACT spacings between them  which is crucial when comparing them with the images on Boyces pig skin.

How can the CCRC study the images of Nevills back and the pig skin images and deny that the marks were made by the same source? Not a chance if the spacings are identical surely?
You now have to prove who moved his body then Snow, because the police who first entered the House say his head was in the coal scuttle and his body was on the chair, this claim backed up by photo's.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #97 on: September 26, 2023, 07:22:PM »

Snow, have you never heard of reverse psychology? ie, JB didn't mention.................because having such knowledge would have put him closer to being the culprit. Not that I believe the AGA was the cause of NB's marks, but let's be honest, how many AGA users/owns do you know who've received burns to their necks/backs through contact with their appliance?
I hear what your saying Jane,but it simply doesn't stand up.
There were very few sources of heat at the WHF,so JB or anyone else mentioning the Aga as a possible source of the burne to Nevill would have caused no suspicion whatsoever, ZERO! Not in 1985 nor any time since,so why o why would Bamber keep quiet about something that could work in his favour ie,that the police moved Nevill? Ridiculous.

Its the same as the Bible,if guilty he smearsd it with bloody fingerprints,left a note in it and opened it at a specific place,yet when his defence team were lied to and told  that the Bible had been destroyed before the trial JB made no fuss about this.Doesn't logic tell us that JB had no idea of the importance of the Bible and thats why he didn't make a fuss about its alleged destruction?
Truthfully,in all likelyhood if the Bible and its evidence had been given to the defence instead of being hidden away it would have had a dramatic effect on the outcome at trial.

So the bottom line for me is,if the Aga burns are accepted by the CCRC Bamber is innocent whether the police moved Nevill or not.

Let me explain,if Nevill lay against the Aga unconcious for several minutes or hours then got up and was shot to death on the chair/scuttle this points to an innocent Bamber because obviously JB would not waste time waiting hours for the marks to form.He would have killed everyone as quick as possible and fled the scene.Only Sheila fits into this scenario as she was in the house all night.

Now,if JB killed Nevill and left him against the Aga and fled,this means that the police moved Nevill after entry, and that takes us back to the argument of keeping quiet about the source of the marks for 37 years and the fact that the police must have moved Nevill.,both facts that JB must have been aware of all these years,yet like the Bible did not use the knowledge to his advantage.Ridiculous,as I say.

Now I know that very few members give the marks much importance,but if they are accepted I think the prosecution case against JB is severely weakened.The marks are bad,bad news that only point to a guilty Sheila,they scream out that Bamber is innocent.

So it doesn't really matter if the police moved Bamber or not,nor who's scanario is nearest to the truth,if the Aga made the marks Bamber must logically be innocent,and I think a re-trial would convince a jury of this.

As for users burning their neck on an Aga Jane,I would imagine this happens fairly regularly amongst those who take a bucket and snuggle up to them! ^-^



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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #98 on: September 26, 2023, 07:25:PM »
Boyce's claim may be erroneous. But that doesn't exclude the Aga being the cause of the marks. If Boyce's claim is erroneous, but the Aga did cause the marks, then that impacts upon the sequence and circumstances of events.

But you can't PROVE either, nor that it impacts on anything. All it does it create a whole new set of questions, but none of those exonerate Bamber.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #99 on: September 26, 2023, 07:25:PM »
You now have to prove who moved his body then Snow, because the police who first entered the House say his head was in the coal scuttle and his body was on the chair, this claim backed up by photo's.
If you check my posts HB,you will find that I have never claimed that the police moved Nevill.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #100 on: September 26, 2023, 07:27:PM »
Not so hard to prove what made the marks from photos really HB,the beauty is that they have survived and have a tape measure along side the marks showing the EXACT spacings between them  which is crucial when comparing them with the images on Boyces pig skin.

How can the CCRC study the images of Nevills back and the pig skin images and deny that the marks were made by the same source? Not a chance if the spacings are identical surely?
You haven't seen Boyce's pig skin and that 'brief' look at it in the video showed two marks. Even if you could prove 100% that the marks came from the Aga (which I doubt), how does that exonerate Bamber?

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #101 on: September 26, 2023, 07:54:PM »
You haven't seen Boyce's pig skin and that 'brief' look at it in the video showed two marks. Even if you could prove 100% that the marks came from the Aga (which I doubt), how does that exonerate Bamber?
I have tried to explain how it exonerates Bamber from every possible angle Zoso,sorry that it has had no effect on you.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #102 on: September 26, 2023, 07:57:PM »
I have tried to explain how it exonerates Bamber from every possible angle Zoso,sorry that it has had no effect on you.

The police wouldn't put Nevill's pyjama top on. Then move him onto the coal scuttle/chair.
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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #103 on: September 26, 2023, 07:59:PM »
The police wouldn't put Nevill's pyjama top on. Then move him onto the coal scuttle/chair.
Adam,I dont believe ANYONE lifted Nevill on to the chair/scuttle!

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #104 on: September 26, 2023, 08:00:PM »
Adam,I dont believe ANYONE lifted Nevill on to the chair/scuttle!

Good.

The aga door would be hot. It is so thick all the heat stays inside.
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