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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2023, 09:04:AM »
If it didn't get hot, the pig skin wouldn't have burned. Is this argument about different fuel or something?

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2023, 09:18:AM »
If it didn't get hot, the pig skin wouldn't have burned. Is this argument about different fuel or something?


Surely, irrelevant of the fuel creating it, hot is hot is hot? But I'm pretty certain that during summer months, the Bamber AGA would have been turned down to its lowest heat producing capacity. They wouldn't have needed it to heat the kitchen or radiators in other rooms. They wouldn't have needed it for cooking. They probably wouldn't have needed it to heat water. We were told that Boyce carried out his experiment under strict scientific conditions. Exactly how would he have known how hot the Bamber AGA was on that particular night? The only way I can think of is that he started from cold and kept upping the temperature until it burned the pigskin. Might that suggest Nevill was indeed, tortured?

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2023, 09:33:AM »
Yes,i am referring to the 'Aga' marks again,and what I mean is, that the fact that there are three of them makes it easier to match them to the source.I will also try and point out again why I believe the marks are very important.I am aware that most members see the marks as irrelevent,even supporters,nevertheless I will have another go at trying to point out why I think they would have been a game changer if they had been presented at trial and how they could be now.

Anyway,as I see it,proving that the Aga made the marks shouldn't cause much problem,as I said the fact that there are three marks limits the available sources of heat at WHF capable of causing the marks that night.One mark,yes,quite impossible to tie to any specific object,even two would be tricky.But three burns,which match the shape and spacing within millimetres of an image taken on pig skin from the Aga handles? The chances that another source of heat could have made similar marks must surely be astronomical!
As I say,that is the beauty of THREE marks,and not just marks,BURN MARKS.Think about it,Yvonne Hartley quite rightly pointed out that there were very few, if any,other sources of heat anywhere else in the WHF.And even if there were,just how would they manage to make contact with Nevills neck? Either Nevill lay against a heat source or someone held a hot object against him,he definately didn't take something and brand himself.
And even if someone did heat an object and burn Nevill,why would the burns be the same spacings as the image taken from the Aga on the pig skin?
Also,it has been proven by Boyce that if you place someone on their side in front of an Aga their neck is in line with the hot Aga knobs.
So,sorry to be so boring,but I believe that most reasonable people will conclude that the Aga cooker was indeed the cause of the marks on Nevills back.

Yet the likes of Jane continues to reject the Aga evidence by putting her fingers in her ears and uttering La,La,La,rather than facing the truth. [Sorry Jane,but tit for tat  ^-^].

Now,for those of you who may have accepted that the Aga made the marks,let us look at what this could mean.What if the jury had known that the Aga made the marks,and that they took several minutes or maybe even hours to form,surely this would have had a profound effect on whether it was safe to convict Bamber?

And just how could Justice Drake have dismissed the burns to Nevill? He couldn't!
Just think it through and you may see the significance that the three little marks may have had at JBs trial.
Nevill lying against the Aga for any length of time doesn't fit well with a JB scenario,and we all know it.
The police scenario sent to the DPP has JB chasing JB to the kitchen then shooting him while slumped over the scuttle,if the Aga burns are accepted how are they going to fit in Nevill lying against the Aga for some time? Not easy,just doesn't work,does it?
No,what the CCRC must,and have to do,is realise that the Aga burns is new evidence and decide the impact they would have had on the jury in 1986.They will also have to supply a new credible JB scenario around the marks,and if they continue to claim that the police did not move Nevill upon entry then for me a credible scenario is nigh on impossible.

So,to round things up,the police will either have to produce a credible scenario to the CCRC regarding the marks or admit they lied at trial by the fact that they moved Nevill upon entry.

As for this trumping the silencer evidence or Sheila's hands being clean,well it has to,the blood was inconclusive and Sheila washing her hands is no big deal whatsoever.The bottom line is,if the Aga burns prove that JB could not have been present at WHF when the  shootings occurred then the silencer evidence is erroneous,simple as that!

The stuff of fantasy land.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2023, 09:37:AM »
I agree snow it's a part of submission

Its snow good!

I don't want to take your thread off topic but the key for me is Julie mugford.

Don't then. 

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2023, 09:49:AM »
Its snow good!

Don't then.

Bit bitchy....
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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2023, 09:51:AM »
Bit bitchy....

If that's your interpretation...

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2023, 09:52:AM »
It is good that Snow has found an angle in looking for a technicality for Bamber.

Just repeatedly saying the hundreds of pieces of forensic & circumstantial evidence is wrong and everyone lied will never work. 

However the aga burns theory is just properganda.

Thanks for that Adam.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2023, 09:54:AM »
Heating the pig skin should have formed similar or identical marks - where's the pig skin?
I dont know Zoso,hopefully with the CCRC.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2023, 09:56:AM »
It is good that Snow has found an angle in looking for a technicality for Bamber.

Just repeatedly saying the hundreds of pieces of forensic & circumstantial evidence is wrong and everyone lied will never work. 

However the aga burns theory is just properganda.
Propaganda or not Adam the issue of the burns is with the CCRC,so look out.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2023, 09:56:AM »
Have to agree with the Silk in the theroux documentary

" has to be something of a slam dunk nature "

Unfortunately nothing I have seen so far is of that magnitude in all aspects.
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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2023, 09:59:AM »
The stuff of fantasy land.
Thanks Cutes!

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2023, 10:02:AM »
Propaganda or not Adam the issue of the burns is with the CCRC,so look out.

We dont need to look out.  We will hear the thump when the 'statement of reasons' lands with Bamber's people: D-I-S-M-I-S-S-E-D! 


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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2023, 11:52:AM »
I dont know Zoso,hopefully with the CCRC.

Well, the actual pig skin would have decomposed, but he should have pictures, why didn't he reveal images in his video?

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2023, 11:57:AM »
We dont need to look out.  We will hear the thump when the 'statement of reasons' lands with Bamber's people: D-I-S-M-I-S-S-E-D!

I tend to agree.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2023, 05:54:PM »
Well, the actual pig skin would have decomposed, but he should have pictures, why didn't he reveal images in his video?
I honestly dont know why he didn't show the results Zoso.