Was Sheila's illness curable?

[Jane]

It's obvious that there is a strong possibility that  Shelias mental health problems formulated in her relationship with her mother.  Due to Ostensibly the latters near obsession with religion

CAL states the " devils child " remark to Shelia by June was the catalyst.

Me personally I am undecided as I believe it could have manifested in other areas in Shelias life as well.

I think you've hit the nail very squarely on its head. Could the voices Sheila heard have been June's strictures, moral and religious threatening and powerful, interrupting her own thought processes? Several years ago I did some work on adopted children who had schizophrenia. I'm not certain what it proved because there was no way of knowing if these children were genetically disposed, but there seems to have been a high degree of cases.

[Adam]

Shelia was also very attractive and pretty.

She was in no way a bad physical condition

She was in a terrible physical and mental condition -

No balance.

No muscle co ordination.

No strength.

No hand to eye co ordination.

Very docile.

Unable to get off sofas without help. 

Recovering anorexic.

June doing Sheila's shopping.

Involuntary movements.

Unable to do a job.

Long stays inside hospitals.

On Haloperidal. 

No interaction with people.

Looking very small in the crime scene photos.

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Lamb to the slaughter. More like mouse to the slaughter.

[Adam]

I think you've hit the nail very squarely on its head. Could the voices Sheila heard have been June's strictures, moral and religious threatening and powerful, interrupting her own thought processes? Several years ago I did some work on adopted children who had schizophrenia. I'm not certain what it proved because there was no way of knowing if these children were genetically disposed, but there seems to have been a high degree of cases.

Thought her condition was a physical condition. More something you are born with.

[Rob_]

I think you've hit the nail very squarely on its head. Could the voices Sheila heard have been June's strictures, moral and religious threatening and powerful, interrupting her own thought processes? Several years ago I did some work on adopted children who had schizophrenia. I'm not certain what it proved because there was no way of knowing if these children were genetically disposed, but there seems to have been a high degree of cases.

I think schizophrenia has a genetic element making some people more predisposed to it, the person is often fine until substance/drug abuse brings on the condition.

[Jane]

I think schizophrenia has a genetic element making some people more predisposed to it, the person is often fine until substance/drug abuse brings on the condition.

OR until they're put in a position where their natural inclinations are continually suppressed by a more powerful figure. They may strive very hard to be what's expected of them -I imagine this to be a stronger response in adopted children- but when it comes to nature/nurture, I suspect that, eventually, nature will win, albeit not without a fight. Sadly, this is often the point at which substance/drug/alcohol abuse takes a hold.

[ILB]

She was in a terrible physical and mental condition -

No balance.

No muscle co ordination.

No strength.

No hand to eye co ordination.

Very docile.

Unable to get off sofas without help. 

Recovering anorexic.

June doing Sheila's shopping.

Involuntary movements.

Unable to do a job.

Long stays inside hospitals.

On Haloperidal. 

No interaction with people.

Looking very small in the crime scene photos.

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Lamb to the slaughter. More like mouse to the slaughter.

Purely speculative.

Shelia mixed and socialised and was able to walk around unaided. She was a former model. She was a regular on the London club scene.

[Jane]

Purely speculative.

Shelia mixed and socialised and was able to walk around unaided. She was a former model. She was a regular on the London club scene.

All 100% true, but do we know when she'd last modelled, last been clubbing? It seems there may have been a drastic change since her last breakdown. Colin claims to have not seen her happier since the birth of the boys, when she met with Christine. What happened after Christine left? From what has been said of Sheila during her last fortnight, she sounds as if she'd gone into a downwards spiral. 

[snow66!]

Ronnie Kray put on weight with his illness,and no word of being tatally crippled.All this nonsense with Sheila is merely to claim she didn't have the strength or coordination to kill anyone.
Ronnie still managed to dish out a few beatings while on his medication.

[Adam]

Purely speculative.

Shelia mixed and socialised and was able to walk around unaided. She was a former model. She was a regular on the London club scene.

It is all fact from what people have said.

Yes she was a 'former' model.

Regular on the London club scene? She had no balance, muscle coordination or energy.

[Jane]

Ronnie Kray put on weight with his illness,and no word of being tatally crippled.All this nonsense with Sheila is merely to claim she didn't have the strength or coordination to kill anyone.
Ronnie still managed to dish out a few beatings while on his medication.

To what "'nonsense'" do you refer, Snow?

[snow66!]

To what "'nonsense'" do you refer, Snow?

All that rubbish that Adam keeps stating,especially about anorexia.You would think she had the appearence of a drug addict with a skeletal face and body,not so,like Ronnie Kray she had a slightly puffy face and her body was by no means thin.

And you dont put well nourished on an autopsy report if someone has an eating disorder,do you Jane?

[Adam]

All that rubbish that Adam keeps stating,especially about anorexia.You would think she had the appearence of a drug addict with a skeletal face and body,not so,like Ronnie Kray she had a slightly puffy face and her body was by no means thin.

And you dont put well nourished on an autopsy report if someone has an eating disorder,do you Jane?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/lack-of-appeal&ved=2ahUKEwjijOndyLGBAxUiWUEAHay6DQQQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw37Kc9EYk8b81Ik2gJCJSbZ

She was a recovering anorexic.

Appreciate supporters have to refute facts regarding Sheila's condition.

[Adam]

Poor Sheila looked so thin in the crime scene photos, 27 going on 14.

She died well norished. June had been travelling to London to buy her food and feeding her at WHF!

[Jane]

All that rubbish that Adam keeps stating,especially about anorexia.You would think she had the appearence of a drug addict with a skeletal face and body,not so,like Ronnie Kray she had a slightly puffy face and her body was by no means thin.

And you dont put well nourished on an autopsy report if someone has an eating disorder,do you Jane?

Like alcoholics, anorexics are only ever in recovery and just one tiny step away from danger. There is on picture -I imagine it's on here- in which Sheila looks particularly ill and frail.

[Adam]

Wonder what well norished refers to. The last 24 hours of eating?

No surprise, June was cooking. Even Jeremy popped over for a bite.