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Offline mike tesko

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Its only evidence, if it supports the prosecutions case

Anything that supports the defense case, its just a theory, or speculation...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: Its only evidence, if it supports the prosecutions case
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2011, 09:18:PM »
No it's just the fact that evidence points to the truth.

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Re: Its only evidence, if it supports the prosecutions case
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2011, 09:56:PM »
No it's just the fact that evidence points to the truth.
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: Its only evidence, if it supports the prosecutions case
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2011, 11:52:PM »
So what is his explanation for altering the dates on his notebook?

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Re: Its only evidence, if it supports the prosecutions case
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2011, 12:08:AM »
So what is his explanation for altering the dates on his notebook?

No idea, but you can very clearly see that he hasn't tried to hide it.

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Re: Its only evidence, if it supports the prosecutions case
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2011, 07:22:AM »
So what is his explanation for altering the dates on his notebook?

No idea, but you can very clearly see that he hasn't tried to hide it.
... Hasn't tried to hide it? So, where is the missing five months worth of notes which should have been recorded, inside the cover of book 49? Jones was duty bound and governed by police regulations, to make daily contemporaneously written notes directly into his pocketbook, and he was only supposed to have access to one pocketbook at a time, and he could not obtain another pocketbook from a senior or a supervisory officer, until the one he was currently using was full. Regulations exist governing how pocketbooks shall be issued, and what a police officer is duty bound to do in so far as, what and when notes must be written up into the pocketbook, and so it should be clear to everyone, that Jones is responsible for very serious breachs of police regulations, and that the original notes in the cover of pocketbook 49, commenced on 5th November 1984, on a daily basis until the date in 1986, when according to the date on the front cover of 49, it concluded - yet, the first entries in 49, do not commence on 5th November 1984, but instead start in April 1985, and so there are five months worth of missing daily notes which were originally written up inside pocketbook cover 49, which Jones was duty bound to record between the covers of 49 for the relevant period, 5th November 1984 to April  1985. Basically put, he must have removed the staples and inner pages of 49, and replaced them with new pages, to enable him to re-write his notes to incorporate the false silencer evidence, and his involvment with the relatives, and Julie Mugford, in entries commencing August 1985. The original notes that were removed probably contained damning evidence abov the find of the silencer by Jones at the scene on 7th August, and police suspicions that the relatives were trying to frame Jeremy for the murders...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: Its only evidence, if it supports the prosecutions case
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2011, 08:25:AM »
So what is his explanation for altering the dates on his notebook?

No idea, but you can very clearly see that he hasn't tried to hide it.
... Hasn't tried to hide it? So, where is the missing five months worth of notes which should have been recorded, inside the cover of book 49? Jones was duty bound and governed by police regulations, to make daily contemporaneously written notes directly into his pocketbook, and he was only supposed to have access to one pocketbook at a time, and he could not obtain another pocketbook from a senior or a supervisory officer, until the one he was currently using was full. Regulations exist governing how pocketbooks shall be issued, and what a police officer is duty bound to do in so far as, what and when notes must be written up into the pocketbook, and so it should be clear to everyone, that Jones is responsible for very serious breachs of police regulations, and that the original notes in the cover of pocketbook 49, commenced on 5th November 1984, on a daily basis until the date in 1986, when according to the date on the front cover of 49, it concluded - yet, the first entries in 49, do not commence on 5th November 1984, but instead start in April 1985, and so there are five months worth of missing daily notes which were originally written up inside pocketbook cover 49, which Jones was duty bound to record between the covers of 49 for the relevant period, 5th November 1984 to April  1985. Basically put, he must have removed the staples and inner pages of 49, and replaced them with new pages, to enable him to re-write his notes to incorporate the false silencer evidence, and his involvment with the relatives, and Julie Mugford, in entries commencing August 1985. The original notes that were removed probably contained damning evidence abov the find of the silencer by Jones at the scene on 7th August, and police suspicions that the relatives were trying to frame Jeremy for the murders...
Have you seen the notebook Mike? You have a photocopy of the cover, so I assume that you have? I was just wondering where the information came from that he removed the staples?

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Re: Its only evidence, if it supports the prosecutions case
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2011, 10:57:AM »
So what is his explanation for altering the dates on his notebook?

No idea, but you can very clearly see that he hasn't tried to hide it.
... Hasn't tried to hide it? So, where is the missing five months worth of notes which should have been recorded, inside the cover of book 49? Jones was duty bound and governed by police regulations, to make daily contemporaneously written notes directly into his pocketbook, and he was only supposed to have access to one pocketbook at a time, and he could not obtain another pocketbook from a senior or a supervisory officer, until the one he was currently using was full. Regulations exist governing how pocketbooks shall be issued, and what a police officer is duty bound to do in so far as, what and when notes must be written up into the pocketbook, and so it should be clear to everyone, that Jones is responsible for very serious breachs of police regulations, and that the original notes in the cover of pocketbook 49, commenced on 5th November 1984, on a daily basis until the date in 1986, when according to the date on the front cover of 49, it concluded - yet, the first entries in 49, do not commence on 5th November 1984, but instead start in April 1985, and so there are five months worth of missing daily notes which were originally written up inside pocketbook cover 49, which Jones was duty bound to record between the covers of 49 for the relevant period, 5th November 1984 to April  1985. Basically put, he must have removed the staples and inner pages of 49, and replaced them with new pages, to enable him to re-write his notes to incorporate the false silencer evidence, and his involvment with the relatives, and Julie Mugford, in entries commencing August 1985. The original notes that were removed probably contained damning evidence abov the find of the silencer by Jones at the scene on 7th August, and police suspicions that the relatives were trying to frame Jeremy for the murders...

Well as previously stated I am unable to take your word for it, particularly give the "FACT" that you have started modifying and/or removing some of my posts.

Post the evidence and we'll all look at it and see if there is anything to this, posting a poor quality photocopy of the front cover in every single recent thread does nothing but stifle any discussion which was taking place and shows you up to be a bit of a clown. IMO
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Re: Its only evidence, if it supports the prosecutions case
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2011, 01:14:PM »
No it's just the fact that evidence points to the truth.

Harterz, apologies in advance if I'm being thick, it has been known.  But is there anyway you can flesh out your statement above? As I'm not sure exactly what is meant by it.

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Re: Its only evidence, if it supports the prosecutions case
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2011, 01:16:PM »
No it's just the fact that evidence points to the truth.

Harterz, apologies in advance if I'm being thick, it has been known.  But is there anyway you can flesh out your statement above? As I'm not sure exactly what is meant by it.

That's fine, I've already discussed it with Grahame.

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Re: Its only evidence, if it supports the prosecutions case
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2011, 01:24:PM »
No it's just the fact that evidence points to the truth.

Harterz, apologies in advance if I'm being thick, it has been known.  But is there anyway you can flesh out your statement above? As I'm not sure exactly what is meant by it.

That's fine, I've already discussed it with Grahame.

Right, Fair do's.  I'm none the wiser but will leave it.  Seems a bit tense on here at the mo but nowt new there  ;D

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Re: Its only evidence, if it supports the prosecutions case
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2011, 01:54:PM »
Isn't it the case that The City of London Police were instructed to review the Essex Police investigation and also Scotland Yard officers have also reviewed it. Surely they had access to all relevent materials?

The Essex Police have been highly criticised for an almost incompetent investigation but deemed not to have conspired illegally as they accused of on here everyday.

Furthermore wasn't it descided that any faults did not materially effect the verdict or prejudice the trial?

And lastly haven't all these alligations been placed before the Appeal Courts and CCRC and the original verdict upheld everytime.

If that is all correct (?) .... why are you still going on and on about the Essex Police as if they were conspiring criminals?

The Essex Police originally believed Bamber's murder/suicide plan; they had to admit they were totally wrong when the truth came out. Therefore admitting mistakes .... are you seriously suggesting they changed their investigation just to 'get' Bamber?

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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2011, 03:30:PM »
Rochy it's a bit tense on here because Essex Police have in the last two weeks tried their very best to hamper Jeremys referral to the ccrc.  I can't say whats happened but I expect Mike would definitely know but anyone who is honest and believes in justice would be disgusted and I hope everything is out in the public domain soon for people to make their own mind up about the deceit and corruption in this case.

You can be sure there will hardly be a person who believes Jeremy is guilty when the latest antics are revealed.

I am sure the relatives and friends of relatives are over the moon and quite cocky about the lengths Essex Police will go to so the truth never gets out


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Re: Its only evidence, if it supports the prosecutions case
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2011, 03:34:PM »
Rochy it's a bit tense on here because Essex Police have in the last two weeks tried their very best to hamper Jeremys referral to the ccrc.  I can't say whats happened but I expect Mike would definitely know but anyone who is honest and believes in justice would be disgusted and I hope everything is out in the public domain soon for people to make their own mind up about the deceit and corruption in this case.

You can be sure there will hardly be a person who believes Jeremy is guilty when the latest antics are revealed.

I am sure the relatives and friends of relatives are over the moon and quite cocky about the lengths Essex Police will go to so the truth never gets out
I was quite furious when I heard of their latest antics in hindering JB's efforts to get justice. If the EP are so innocent then why are they resorting to these underhanded tactics?

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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2011, 03:51:PM »
Exactly Grahame,

I don't know how much you know about the latest stuff but it beggars belief Essex Poliice must now reign supreme as the most corrupt Police Force in Britain