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Re: Fans of the CCRC on here need read this..
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2025, 02:45:PM »
More CCRC woes..

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/05/14/wrongful-convictions-how-justice-systems-safety-net-failed/

There should be an enquiry into the conduct of the organisation over the last 15 years.

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Re: Fans of the CCRC on here need read this..
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2025, 08:29:PM »
There should be an enquiry into the conduct of the organisation over the last 15 years.

i agree.


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Re: Fans of the CCRC on here need read this..
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2025, 08:37:AM »
Melanie Phillips' husband does write good articles. Kneller tried to narrow the scope of Henley's criticism. Bill Robertson was right all along, in his criticisms of the CCRC:

https://open.substack.com/pub/rozenberg/p/ccrc-chief-must-go?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=4tvp4h

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Re: Fans of the CCRC on here need read this..
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2025, 12:08:PM »
From another article.

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Re: Fans of the CCRC on here need read this..
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2025, 03:06:PM »
Melanie Phillips' husband does write good articles. Kneller tried to narrow the scope of Henley's criticism. Bill Robertson was right all along, in his criticisms of the CCRC:

https://open.substack.com/pub/rozenberg/p/ccrc-chief-must-go?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=4tvp4h
    It is an excellent piece, Roch, that also touches on some of the wider problems within the Appeal system. The MOJ and the Appeal Court should not escape unscathed from any much needed reform as they are also part of the problem. The simple fact that the CCRC's woeful track record has continued for so many years without being flagged or challenged is testament to this. The whole appeal system is deliberately underfunded and dysfunctional, in my view.
     The dysfunctionality and bias of the Justice System is a feature, not a bug, in my own cynical view. I suggested, "tongue in cheek", that Bill R and the charity "APPEAL, would be a suitable replacement for the CCRC. The more I see, the more it becomes apparent that the volunteers of "APPEAL" would be suitable recipients of the funds currently being given to the inept CCRC.
      Beyond the problems at the CCRC are wider issues. The COA itself, is not fit for purpose either. They are currently hearing the Colin Campbell/Norris appeal. The CCRC took almost 10 years from application to referral ( Oct 2011-February 2021). The COA have taken just over four years from referral to hearing (February 2021-May 2025). This is a"whole system" that doesn't work, by design.

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Re: Fans of the CCRC on here need read this..
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2025, 03:48:PM »
    It is an excellent piece, Roch, that also touches on some of the wider problems within the Appeal system. The MOJ and the Appeal Court should not escape unscathed from any much needed reform as they are also part of the problem. The simple fact that the CCRC's woeful track record has continued for so many years without being flagged or challenged is testament to this. The whole appeal system is deliberately underfunded and dysfunctional, in my view.
     The dysfunctionality and bias of the Justice System is a feature, not a bug, in my own cynical view. I suggested, "tongue in cheek", that Bill R and the charity "APPEAL, would be a suitable replacement for the CCRC. The more I see, the more it becomes apparent that the volunteers of "APPEAL" would be suitable recipients of the funds currently being given to the inept CCRC.
      Beyond the problems at the CCRC are wider issues. The COA itself, is not fit for purpose either. They are currently hearing the Colin Campbell/Norris appeal. The CCRC took almost 10 years from application to referral ( Oct 2011-February 2021). The COA have taken just over four years from referral to hearing (February 2021-May 2025). This is a"whole system" that doesn't work, by design.

Indeed Gringo, indeed.

It looks like KC Chris Henley has dropped Kneller right in it.

https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/ccrc-chief-must-go-say-mps/5123370.article

We're still waiting for Cambridge to catch up on Henley.

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« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2025, 11:23:PM »
    It is an excellent piece, Roch, that also touches on some of the wider problems within the Appeal system. The MOJ and the Appeal Court should not escape unscathed from any much needed reform as they are also part of the problem. The simple fact that the CCRC's woeful track record has continued for so many years without being flagged or challenged is testament to this. The whole appeal system is deliberately underfunded and dysfunctional, in my view.
     The dysfunctionality and bias of the Justice System is a feature, not a bug, in my own cynical view. I suggested, "tongue in cheek", that Bill R and the charity "APPEAL, would be a suitable replacement for the CCRC. The more I see, the more it becomes apparent that the volunteers of "APPEAL" would be suitable recipients of the funds currently being given to the inept CCRC.
      Beyond the problems at the CCRC are wider issues. The COA itself, is not fit for purpose either. They are currently hearing the Colin Campbell/Norris appeal. The CCRC took almost 10 years from application to referral ( Oct 2011-February 2021). The COA have taken just over four years from referral to hearing (February 2021-May 2025). This is a"whole system" that doesn't work, by design.

I would be very cautious of the idea of having completely independent organisations handling appeals like in the US.

An American University's Innocence project ended up framing an innocent man and freeing the guilty party who was rightfully convicted all along.

"Anthony Porter was convicted and sentenced to death in 1983 for killing a young, recently engaged couple in a Parkon Chicago’s south side. Experts opined that Porter had an IQ of 51, which added to the perceived cruelty of his impending death some 16 years later. It was then, however, that innocence activists from Northwestern University’s Center on Wrongful Convictions sought to win Porter’s freedom by descending upon a young man named Alstory Simon who suddenly and unexpectedly found himself being accused of the murders and pressured to confess to the crimes. Simon confessed. Porter was released from prison. The Simon was formally convicted in 1999 and spent over 15 years in prison, but a determined investigative journalist named Bill Crawford pestered authorities to look seriously at Simon’s conviction and the manner in which it was secured. He was released from prison early this year when it became clear that Simon was a likely victim of innocence fraud. Simon filed a $40 million suit in U.S. District Court for a conspiracy “to frame Simon for the double murder.” David Protess, a prolific innocence activist who now serves as president for the Chicago Innocence Project, has a troubled history of his own. Protess retired from Northwestern in 2011 after internal investigations alleged he misled witnesses and repeatedly gave false information to attorneys at the University."

https://ndaa.org/wp-content/uploads/innocence-fraud.pdf

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Re: Fans of the CCRC on here need read this..
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2025, 01:25:AM »
Indeed Gringo, indeed.

It looks like KC Chris Henley has dropped Kneller right in it.

https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/ccrc-chief-must-go-say-mps/5123370.article

We're still waiting for Cambridge to catch up on Henley.
    Yes, if anything, you were being far too generous when accusing the CCRC of "desktop reviews", Roch. Chris Henley's report makes clear that they were so rarely at their desks(perhaps once every two months or something) that the reviews were even more cursory than that. The facts and figures from the CCRC themselves paint a sorry picture.

https://cloud-platform-e218f50a4812967ba1215eaecede923f.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/sites/5/2024/11/Final-web_CCRC_Annual-report-and-accounts-2023-24_WEB.pdf

    The annual budget of the CCRC is around  £8/9 million. They received 1,629 applications last year. The majority are dealt with at what CCRC call "Triage stage" which appears to be several rungs below a "desk top review". For comparison the Thirlwall Public Inquiry cost nearly £6.5 million just for the first six months of the fiscal year. The Thirlwall Inquiry is an inquiry on how to prevent a thing that never happened from happening again; the chief witnesses being the doctors/consultants who invented the thing that never happened in order to cover their own incompetence and culpability. The CCRC are currently handling LL's MOJ created by the aforementioned Doctors.
    The priorities of our justice system and its deaf and blind watchdog are perfectly encapsulated in the vignette above.
       

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Re: Fans of the CCRC on here need read this..
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2025, 01:28:AM »
Indeed Gringo, indeed.

It looks like KC Chris Henley has dropped Kneller right in it.

https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/ccrc-chief-must-go-say-mps/5123370.article

We're still waiting for Cambridge to catch up on Henley.

I doubt she will. CC has in the past rambled on about how the CCRC would be more effective if it was run by more women. Now the Justice Committee has expressed the view that Karen Kneller and Amanda Pearce's leadership of the organisation "caused significant damage to the organisation’s reputation" and "the CCRC’s leadership has shown a remarkable inability to learn from its own mistakes".

I realised you will struggle to reason with such people when I noticed many feminists bloggers and journalist have defended Amber Heard, despite the fact she spat in the face of her female PA and has done a lot of harm to the credibility of women who are genuine victims of domestic abuse by making false allegations.  Its a bit like when our interpretations of history are influenced and blurred by our national identities, but more extreme.