Shelia scenario

[Hardy Boy]

Nevill was shot in the face and jaw upstairs.

Not through the mid brain structure.

Yes i believe Neville was a moving target and harder to kill outright, i don't think he was lying in bed and i dont think Jeremy dragged him downstairs, i think evidence would have shown this with blood dragging  and blood runnings/pooling and carpet fibres or friction marks?

It also says this, 44. Daniel had received five wounds from a gun to the back of his head, which appeared to have been fired in an arc and in quick succession. Nicholas had three gunshot wounds to his head.

[Adam]

Yes i believe Neville was a moving target and harder to kill outright, i don't think he was lying in bed and i dont think Jeremy dragged him downstairs, i think evidence would have shown this with blood dragging  and blood runnings/pooling and carpet fibres or friction marks?

It also says this, 44. Daniel had received five wounds from a gun to the back of his head, which appeared to have been fired in an arc and in quick succession. Nicholas had three gunshot wounds to his head.

Nevill started to wake and react as June was being shot. Resulting in Bamber only managing 2 face shots.

The body shots were when Nevill was out of bed on his side of the bed.

[Adam]

Yes i believe Neville was a moving target and harder to kill outright, i don't think he was lying in bed and i dont think Jeremy dragged him downstairs, i think evidence would have shown this with blood dragging  and blood runnings/pooling and carpet fibres or friction marks?

It also says this, 44. Daniel had received five wounds from a gun to the back of his head, which appeared to have been fired in an arc and in quick succession. Nicholas had three gunshot wounds to his head.

Agree Daniel and Nicholas received 6 or 8 shots in quick succession.

As a guilter it does not matter whether he shot the twins (once each) or Nevill/June first. Both scenarios follow the crime scene evidence.

Have always lent towards the twins first. Once each.

[ILB]

He had to get nevill downstairs

[Rob_]

Agree Daniel and Nicholas received 6 or 8 shots in quick succession.

As a guilter it does not matter whether he shot the twins (once each) or Nevill/June first. Both scenarios follow the crime scene evidence.

Have always lent towards the twins first. Once each.

Have you ever wondered why the bullets were fired in batches of 8 Adam?

[ILB]

You need to in my view answer the following questions

Why Bamber shot June first

Why did nevill wake up from Bamber shooting June with an SM

Why did Bamber take a step back

Why did Bamber not coup de grace nevill in the bedroom

Why did Bamber allow a six foot four man to get to his feet

[Steve_uk]

He had to get nevill downstairs

Not necessarily. He could have shot Nevill in the bedroom and replaced the telephone he removed in the first place. But another thought just occurred to me: he didn't want Sheila to meet Nevill, so maybe your scenario is the correct one.

[ILB]

The evidence of Nevill going downstairs realistically supports a Shelia gulity scenario more than a Jeremy one

[Adam]

You need to in my view answer the following questions

Why Bamber shot June first

Why did nevill wake up from Bamber shooting June with an SM

Why did Bamber take a step back

Why did Bamber not coup de grace nevill in the bedroom

Why did Bamber allow a six foot four man to get to his feet

I will leave you to work out the answers to these.

Agree all these things happened. As the evidence shows.

[Adam]

He had to get nevill downstairs

Why?

[ILB]

Not necessarily. He could have shot Nevill in the bedroom and replaced the telephone he removed in the first place. But another thought just occurred to me: he didn't want Sheila to meet Nevill, so maybe your scenario is the correct one.

A bedroom phonecall from nevill on a phone adjacent to the bed to me does not suggest a matter of urgency.

A kitchen phonecall however shows nevill up and about out of the bedroom at an unearthly hour and more reinforces the view Bamber if gulity would want.

[Rob_]

Not necessarily. He could have shot Nevill in the bedroom and replaced the telephone he removed in the first place. But another thought just occurred to me: he didn't want Sheila to meet Nevill, so maybe your scenario is the correct one.

No need to move telephones around just remove the chord from the master socket before going upstairs to shoot everyone.

[ILB]

I will leave you to work out the answers to these.

Agree all these things happened. As the evidence shows.

Please answer those questions it's a discussion forum.

[Adam]

The evidence of Nevill going downstairs realistically supports a Shelia gulity scenario more than a Jeremy one

Yes Nevill went downstairs to start phoning Bambers AM. After Sheila had started shooting people.

[Adam]

Please answer those questions it's a discussion forum.

Basic questions with easy answers.

You need to follow the crime scene evidence for a bullet proof Bamber scenario.

No point asking why things happened that happened.