Shelia scenario

[Adam]

But she didn't lay down on the bed Steve, and the bible wasn't on her chest if we go by the evidence?  There is nothing in that interview that said the twins were shot once or first?  That was on the 8/9 sept.  It wasn't until the 23rd when she mentions the twins shot first by Mathew in their sleep and felt nothing, agree this could be Jeremy's way of pacifying Julie.

She was by the bed and the bible was touching her.

[Steve_uk]

She also said this, I asked Jeremy if the twins and Sheila had felt anything and he told me the boys were sound asleep and didn’t wake up and that Sheila had lay down on the bed and shot herself under the orders of Mathew who then put a bible on her chest.

Julie is relating a story told to her by Jeremy.

[Hardy Boy]

She was by the bed and the bible was touching her.

I know where she was and i know where the bible was, my point being, you go by the fact Jeremy told Julie the twins was killed first, i'm pionting out what Jeremy told Julie wasn't always the truth. We know the Mathew story is made up, be it by Jeremy or by Julie and it shows that Jeremy/Mathew is not telling the truth to Julie by saying she was on the bed with the bible on her chest, so why do you take it as rock solid evidence that the twins were shot first when it's come from Jeremy/Mathew.  If the twins were shot first evidence points to 5 and 3 in quick succession, a reload is then required at some point to deal with Neville, June and Sheila.  I don't for one minute believe he or she fired one each in the twins to test the rifle and possibly leave each child in agony and suffering.

[Steve_uk]

But she didn't lay down on the bed Steve, and the bible wasn't on her chest if we go by the evidence?  There is nothing in that interview that said the twins were shot once or first?  That was on the 8/9 sept.  It wasn't until the 23rd when she mentions the twins shot first by Mathew in their sleep and felt nothing, agree this could be Jeremy's way of pacifying Julie.

It was Chinese whispers at that early stage. I don't believe Sheila ever was on the bed, nor do I believe Mike T. had a photograph of such an occurrence.

[ILB]

The COA states that the four initial shots recieved by nevill would render Him unconscious.

[Hardy Boy]

Julie is relating a story told to her by Jeremy.

I know that Steve, but it shows he didn't tell the truth, because Sheila wasn't on the bed and the bible wasn't on her chest.  So going back to Adam's previous post where he said Julie was told the twins were shot first, that too could be a lie, or do we pick and choose what we want to make fit?

[ILB]

Paragraph 41.

So how did he get downstairs ?

[ILB]

A gulity Bamber had to drag him downstairs in my view.

Then I can only gather Bamber beat him more then shot him four more times.

Maybe Bamber himself smashed the kitchen light and stages the kitchen? And made the aga scratches ?

[Hardy Boy]

A gulity Bamber had to drag him downstairs in my view.

So would a guilty Sheila do you think?     

[ILB]

If gulity it can be argued his behaviour is shown to include lots of staging.

Staging the scene to look as if Shelia did it.

Staging nevills body in the kitchen to make it appear he was in the vicinity of the kitchen phone

Staging the Bible near Shelia to add creedance to her mental health and obsession with religion. Maybe this is why he placed Shelia near June? ( Who also was obsessed with religion )

Staging the kitchen scene he could have done this himself easily, upturned chairs, sugar bowl, aga scratches, kitchen light

[ILB]

So would a guilty Sheila do you think?   

I believe Shelia would have not shot him four times, two on the top, two on the left side. I believe a Shelia scenario would be four shots to the head in the kitchen. It's in my scenario.

If Shelia is gulity I believe the other four shots were done first the elbow grazing, to the shoulder etc

In a Jeremy gulity scenario though. And Jeremy being a decent shot. I fail to see why he wouldn't be able to shoot nevill four times in bed in the head with the element of surprise in his favour.

Adam believes " Bamber took a step back "

Doesn't ring true in my view

[Adam]

The COA states that the four initial shots recieved by nevill would render Him unconscious.

Please copy and paste the extract and point number 

[Adam]

A gulity Bamber had to drag him downstairs in my view.

Then I can only gather Bamber beat him more then shot him four more times.

Maybe Bamber himself smashed the kitchen light and stages the kitchen? And made the aga scratches ?

Nevill ran downstairs using his legs.

Bamber then brutally attacked him with the rifle.

As the evidence shows.

[ILB]

Nevill ran downstairs using his legs.

Bamber then brutally attacked him with the rifle.

As the evidence shows.

If those four head shots were done first. Then nevill Bamber is unconscious.

[Hardy Boy]

I believe Shelia would have not shot him four times, two on the top, two on the left side. I believe a Shelia scenario would be four shots to the head in the kitchen. It's in my scenario.

If Shelia is gulity I believe the other four shots were done first the elbow grazing, to the shoulder etc

In a Jeremy gulity scenario though. And Jeremy being a decent shot. I fail to see why he wouldn't be able to shoot nevill four times in bed in the head with the element of surprise in his favour.

Adam believes " Bamber took a step back "

Doesn't ring true in my view

Yes Vanezis does say in Court evidence that they would be fatal or cause Unconsciousness, the only problem i have with the shots to Neville, they were close contact shots and the shell casings atributed to Neville were all on June's side of the bed and the lack of blood from his side?