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Offline Steve_uk

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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2023, 08:18:PM »

The Box Room

This room as a sanctuary has unique qualities. Firstly, it has two exit/entry points. If pursued via one you could duck out through another. Both doors could be lockable to say, prevent anyone from the twin’s room entering and disturbing sleep. It was large but without photographs we do not know how much space there was or whether there were objects inside you could hide behind.

Perhaps the most important feature was the positioning and opening direction of the doors. No one can enter at either point without being fully exposed. There is no cover from a door. If someone is in there with a loaded weapon (Say a rifle or shotgun) you would be a sitting duck upon entry.

It is possible that Sheila was in the box room in the early stages. Nevill and June dare not enter. She may have been saying stuff such as “You will not take my boys away from me” If you try I will shoot you. In such circumstances Nevill and June could have descended to the kitchen to phone JB. It also meant that June was aware that it provided a place of relative safety.

It is possible that an uninjured or lightly wounded June could have remained in the box room for an extended period of time.

It is therefore possible for June to be alive and not responding to police requests for actions and was still alive when the TFG made entry.

We cannot know what events took place after JB left and the TFG entry but there are lots of possibilities.
Why would the parents telephone Jeremy?

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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2023, 08:20:PM »
Think there's something about the social worker statements on the Ainsley thread. Not Zoso's but my much earlier posting up of Bill's work. I think Bubo posted up a link to it a few weeks back. I'm not saying this is proof. Merely that it may be relevant.
There is nothing wildly detrimental in any of these statements. Sheila may have been slow to call for medical opinion if Daniel and Nicholas became ill was the top and bottom of the worst allegation.

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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2023, 08:21:PM »
That is because they did a pretty good but not perfect job. When you dig deep you can see problems and inconsistencies in the story and the physical evidence. Even PV said JB would have to have been a nutter to stage it that way. For someone who had been planning this for months the execution of the plan was piss poor. As a cover up it is near but not quite perfect.
I'm afraid that's exactly how many of us regard him.

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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2023, 08:34:PM »
I'm afraid that's exactly how many of us regard him.
Despite all the medical psychological and psychiatric reports by experts who have assessed him over the last 37 years and classed him normal. Do guilters class themselves as medical experts as well as mind readers

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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2023, 08:39:PM »
Why would the parents telephone Jeremy?
Their efforts had proved fruitless in calming SC and they needed help. Why not call her step brother especially since a firearm was now involved and he could arrive much more quickly than the police and NB wanted to keep up appearances if at all possible.

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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2023, 08:42:PM »
Their efforts had proved fruitless in calming SC and they needed help. Why not call her step brother especially since a firearm was now involved and he could arrive much more quickly than the police and NB wanted to keep up appearances if at all possible.

Nevill would just take the rifle off Sheila.
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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2023, 08:54:PM »
Despite all the medical psychological and psychiatric reports by experts who have assessed him over the last 37 years and classed him normal. Do guilters class themselves as medical experts as well as mind readers
Has he had a brain scan? Anyone with an ounce of nous, especially someone who attended Gresham's School, can fool the "experts".

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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2023, 08:57:PM »
He is an inheritance killer. One clinical, grusome hour inside WHF would set him up for life.

He was not a serial killer.

So not surprising experts could find nothing wrong.
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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2023, 08:59:PM »
Their efforts had proved fruitless in calming SC and they needed help. Why not call her step brother especially since a firearm was now involved and he could arrive much more quickly than the police and NB wanted to keep up appearances if at all possible.
They were not stepbrother and stepsister, but leaving that aside Jeremy could have done nothing to calm tensions and Nevill and June would have been the first to know this.

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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2023, 09:04:PM »
There were farm workers 50 yards away.
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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2023, 09:22:PM »
Has he had a brain scan? Anyone with an ounce of nous, especially someone who attended Gresham's School, can fool the "experts".

Why would he have a Brain scan?

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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2023, 09:33:PM »
Why would he have a Brain scan?
It detects brain abnormalities in the amygdala. I've read various internet stories over the years: June dropped Jeremy on the head as a baby, Jeremy sustained a head injury riding down a bannister on a tin tray at White House Farm, Jeremy failed a scuba diving medical in New Zealand, to name but three.

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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2023, 09:38:PM »
They were not stepbrother and stepsister, but leaving that aside Jeremy could have done nothing to calm tensions and Nevill and June would have been the first to know this.
Mind reading again

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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2023, 09:38:PM »
It detects brain abnormalities in the amygdala. I've read various internet stories over the years: June dropped Jeremy on the head as a baby, Jeremy sustained a head injury riding down a bannister on a tin tray at White House Farm, Jeremy failed a scuba diving medical in New Zealand, to name but three.

But he had not suffered to my knowledge any types of " seizures" migraines etc to get a scan. He lived life unaffected by any type of neuroligcal problem.

A guy fighting what he claims to be a miscarriage of justice would never go for a scam on his brain. It's tantamount to " let's see if there's something up there that made me do this "
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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #44 on: July 29, 2023, 09:40:PM »
We can safely say he never had something detrimental or malignant nuerological wise. The crime happened in 1985 and he is still alive and kicking and in good health aged 62 today...
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