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Offline Bubo bubo

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How June could have remained alive
« on: July 29, 2023, 11:03:AM »
Now your getting silly.

It is a big house, maybe she was able to avoid her or by locking herself in a room for safety. Read my take on the box room. You can find it using the search facility. Maybe she was shot a few times anyway. We cannot know. Maybe she was able to evade her because SC ran out of Ammunition.

I do not know she may have been being ultra defensive because of pain or shock. She may have shouldered a weapon ready to shoot when she heard voices. We cannot know.

The Box Room

This room as a sanctuary has unique qualities. Firstly, it has two exit/entry points. If pursued via one you could duck out through another. Both doors could be lockable to say, prevent anyone from the twin’s room entering and disturbing sleep. It was large but without photographs we do not know how much space there was or whether there were objects inside you could hide behind.

Perhaps the most important feature was the positioning and opening direction of the doors. No one can enter at either point without being fully exposed. There is no cover from a door. If someone is in there with a loaded weapon (Say a rifle or shotgun) you would be a sitting duck upon entry.

It is possible that Sheila was in the box room in the early stages. Nevill and June dare not enter. She may have been saying stuff such as “You will not take my boys away from me” If you try I will shoot you. In such circumstances Nevill and June could have descended to the kitchen to phone JB. It also meant that June was aware that it provided a place of relative safety.

It is possible that an uninjured or lightly wounded June could have remained in the box room for an extended period of time.

It is therefore possible for June to be alive and not responding to police requests for actions and was still alive when the TFG made entry.

We cannot know what events took place after JB left and the TFG entry but there are lots of possibilities.

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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2023, 11:10:AM »
Why don't you just accept the 38 year old crime scene evidence?

Both the defence and prosecution did at trial. Both guilters and supporters do although interpret it in different ways.
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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2023, 11:12:AM »
There is no way an instant military esq re staging could be done before the photographer arrived which so perfectly framed Bamber.
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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2023, 11:18:AM »
The crime scene evidence is June was intially shot 5 times in bed.

Which is not surprising. It was around 1.30am.
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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2023, 11:31:AM »
June was also found bare footed in a nightie.
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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2023, 11:40:AM »
I guess it was Ayahuasca tea for breakfast then?

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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2023, 11:56:AM »
I guess it was Ayahuasca tea for breakfast then?

I couldn't do anything like that now. I would end up in a padded cell.

BTW, please pack it in David. I've already asked once.
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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2023, 12:51:PM »
There is no way an instant military esq re staging could be done before the photographer arrived which so perfectly framed Bamber.
He helped with the staging. The Soco made small changes to ensure the final set up was good.  Like moving SC a little. That is why some of the TFG statements make reference to small changes from what they remembered.

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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2023, 12:57:PM »
The crime scene evidence is June was intially shot 5 times in bed.

Which is not surprising. It was around 1.30am.
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I have already shown this to be debatable. Moving a few bullets and casings to set the scene for their fairy story was easy and they could even have created new paperwork when they framed JB. The problem as I have stated many times is that the crime scene only works for the original story to be told it does not work when a additional adult is in the picture. EP were lumbered with the photos for the original story which is why they withheld some strips and when that did not work cut the strips to fit the point that was being investigated.

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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2023, 12:58:PM »
June was also found bare footed in a nightie.

Do you not change your clothes when you go to bed?

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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2023, 01:38:PM »

The Box Room

This room as a sanctuary has unique qualities. Firstly, it has two exit/entry points. If pursued via one you could duck out through another. Both doors could be lockable to say, prevent anyone from the twin’s room entering and disturbing sleep. It was large but without photographs we do not know how much space there was or whether there were objects inside you could hide behind.

Perhaps the most important feature was the positioning and opening direction of the doors. No one can enter at either point without being fully exposed. There is no cover from a door. If someone is in there with a loaded weapon (Say a rifle or shotgun) you would be a sitting duck upon entry.

It is possible that Sheila was in the box room in the early stages. Nevill and June dare not enter. She may have been saying stuff such as “You will not take my boys away from me” If you try I will shoot you. In such circumstances Nevill and June could have descended to the kitchen to phone JB. It also meant that June was aware that it provided a place of relative safety.

It is possible that an uninjured or lightly wounded June could have remained in the box room for an extended period of time.

It is therefore possible for June to be alive and not responding to police requests for actions and was still alive when the TFG made entry.

We cannot know what events took place after JB left and the TFG entry but there are lots of possibilities.


How are you going to set about proving anyone was suggesting Sheila's children should be removed? You say "We cannot know.......................after JB left and the TFG entry.........." and you're correct, but neither do we know what took place once the door to WHF was closed around the family group having supper. There is only JB's word.

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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2023, 01:41:PM »

How are you going to set about proving anyone was suggesting Sheila's children should be removed? You say "We cannot know.......................after JB left and the TFG entry.........." and you're correct, but neither do we know what took place once the door to WHF was closed around the family group having supper. There is only JB's word.

Think there's something about the social worker statements on the Ainsley thread. Not Zoso's but my much earlier posting up of Bill's work. I think Bubo posted up a link to it a few weeks back. I'm not saying this is proof. Merely that it may be relevant.

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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2023, 01:47:PM »

How are you going to set about proving anyone was suggesting Sheila's children should be removed? You say "We cannot know.......................after JB left and the TFG entry.........." and you're correct, but neither do we know what took place once the door to WHF was closed around the family group having supper. There is only JB's word.
Of course you are correct but the point I am making, which you have yet again side stepped, is that is possible that June was alive when the TFG entered.

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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2023, 01:49:PM »
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I have already shown this to be debatable. Moving a few bullets and casings to set the scene for their fairy story was easy and they could even have created new paperwork when they framed JB. The problem as I have stated many times is that the crime scene only works for the original story to be told it does not work when a additional adult is in the picture. EP were lumbered with the photos for the original story which is why they withheld some strips and when that did not work cut the strips to fit the point that was being investigated.

There is no evidence bullet casings were moved.

The locations match June being shot in bed. Where June's blood is.
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Re: How June could have remained alive
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2023, 01:50:PM »
Do you not change your clothes when you go to bed?

I do. Then I get into bed and sleep.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.