The window Jeremy used for entry

[Bubo bubo]

I think I see now Bubo. David Bird was unaware of Nevills body being moved so inadvertently took the fire remains from the Aga as exhibits?  He retrieved a silencer also on 7th Aug,but later on when he was taken in to the loop the silencer find was swapped and the fire debris made to look like it was taken from the outside fire? Something like that? Not sure why the socks were not taken on 7th Aug as the police new they would be in the crime scene photos?

The socks were taken on the 7th as were all Birds finds DB1 - DB7. He was not a SOCO so they used him to make the finds so the items used in the cover-up were easily identifiable. He knew, they all knew what had gone wrong following entry. It was crafted to give officers the maximum chance of deniability. They could not risk the family emptying the ash box and finding the remnants and arousing their suspicions.

Bird was taking photos in the main but SBJ took the photos of the main Bird finds so that they did not appear in the photographic record mingled in with the other items on the strips.

So SBJ1 was a photo of DB1 and this is why RWC attributed the first SM found to SBJ.

All the adult victims bodies were stage managed for a scenario where SC killed them all. No accidental shooting.  The problem they had was making their staging fit to JB when another adult has to be killed. Which then leads to JB leading SC to her resting place to be shot. He would have to be a nutter to set it up in this way said PV. However we have seen that like murderers make errors that lead to their downfall the same is true of police officers who frame. It takes some unravelling but it is clear to me at least how they framed him. Disgusting, inhumane, criminal.

[Zoso]

Not convoluted if you have a brain and can see through the deceit.

And you wonder why I get 'ratty'? Just because someone doesn't buy into your CONVOLUTED theories, doesn't make them braindead. You callout Adam for his attitude but yours frequently stinks. There is no need for your prickly and often venomous replies. By the way, no need to thank me for posting your documents so they can be read on the forum - you're quite welcome (sheeeesh!).

[Zoso]

The socks were taken on the 7th as were all Birds finds DB1 - DB7. He was not a SOCO so they used him to make the finds so the items used in the cover-up were easily identifiable. He knew, they all knew what had gone wrong following entry. It was crafted to give officers the maximum chance of deniability. They could not risk the family emptying the ash box and finding the remnants and arousing their suspicions.

Bird was taking photos in the main but SBJ took the photos of the main Bird finds so that they did not appear in the photographic record mingled in with the other items on the strips.

So SBJ1 was a photo of DB1 and this is why RWC attributed the first SM found to SBJ.

All the adult victims bodies were stage managed for a scenario where SC killed them all. No accidental shooting.  The problem they had was making their staging fit to JB when another adult has to be killed. Which then leads to JB leading SC to her resting place to be shot. He would have to be a nutter to set it up in this way said PV. However we have seen that like murderers make errors that lead to their downfall the same is true of police officers who frame. It takes some unravelling but it is clear to me at least how they framed him. Disgusting, inhumane, criminal.

Bird was training to be a SOCO - that's all I can say on this.

[Steve_uk]

The socks were taken on the 7th as were all Birds finds DB1 - DB7. He was not a SOCO so they used him to make the finds so the items used in the cover-up were easily identifiable. He knew, they all knew what had gone wrong following entry. It was crafted to give officers the maximum chance of deniability. They could not risk the family emptying the ash box and finding the remnants and arousing their suspicions.

Bird was taking photos in the main but SBJ took the photos of the main Bird finds so that they did not appear in the photographic record mingled in with the other items on the strips.

So SBJ1 was a photo of DB1 and this is why RWC attributed the first SM found to SBJ.

All the adult victims bodies were stage managed for a scenario where SC killed them all. No accidental shooting.  The problem they had was making their staging fit to JB when another adult has to be killed. Which then leads to JB leading SC to her resting place to be shot. He would have to be a nutter to set it up in this way said PV. However we have seen that like murderers make errors that lead to their downfall the same is true of police officers who frame. It takes some unravelling but it is clear to me at least how they framed him. Disgusting, inhumane, criminal.

I don't accept police shot anybody upon entry.

[Adam]

Seems the police acted with military precision. Within minutes of entering WHF prior to the crime scene photographer arriving -

Staging Junes body.

Moving/lifting Nevill.

Cutting things up.

Burning things in the aga.

Replacing rugs.

Moving items.

Clearing up blood.

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If this was to frame Bamber, why?

If this was not to frame Bamber, why?

I hope BuboBubo answers. He has always been the only person saying these mad things.

[Steve_uk]

Seems the police acted with military precision. Within minutes of entering WHF prior to the crime scene photographer arriving -

Staging Junes body.

Moving/lifting Nevill.

Cutting things up.

Burning things in the aga.

Replacing rugs.

Moving items.

Clearing up blood.

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If this was to frame Bamber, why?

If this was not to frame Bamber, why?

I hope BuboBubo answers. He has always been the only person saying these mad things.

Mike Tesko would have given him a run for his money.

[Bubo bubo]

Bird was training to be a SOCO - that's all I can say on this.

How do you know this? So why was he passing stuff to Davidson. If he was training he could have done what the SOCO did and followed normal procedures.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1721.0;attach=8308;image
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1721.0;attach=8309;image

[Bubo bubo]

Seems the police acted with military precision. Within minutes of entering WHF prior to the crime scene photographer arriving -

Staging Junes body.

Moving/lifting Nevill.

Cutting things up.

Burning things in the aga.

Replacing rugs.

Moving items.

Clearing up blood.

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If this was to frame Bamber, why?

If this was not to frame Bamber, why?

I hope BuboBubo answers. He has always been the only person saying these mad things.

It was not done to frame JB otherwise they would have arrested and charged him immediately. It was done to cover their arses so that they could tell any future external investigators their scenario of 4 murders and a suicide, hiding the accidental shooting.

[Zoso]

How do you know this? So why was he passing stuff to Davidson. If he was training he could have done what the SOCO did and followed normal procedures.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1721.0;attach=8308;image
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1721.0;attach=8309;image

It's in Cal's book and I also asked a friend of Cook to verify it and - he was indeed training.

[Bubo bubo]

Seems the police acted with military precision. Within minutes of entering WHF prior to the crime scene photographer arriving -

Staging Junes body.

Moving/lifting Nevill.

Cutting things up.

Burning things in the aga.

Replacing rugs.

Moving items.

Clearing up blood.

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If this was to frame Bamber, why?

If this was not to frame Bamber, why?

I hope BuboBubo answers. He has always been the only person saying these mad things.

Why are they mad things. I am merely outlining an alternative circumstantial view. It is a story not a series of mad things. MT was working along similar lines only his take was that the police accidently shot SC who was not dead when they were removing the rifle from her body.

[Zoso]

I don't accept police shot anybody upon entry.

You and me both Steve - and even innocent supports don't buy that. I never did when I thought Bamber was innocent.

[Zoso]

Why are they mad things. I am merely outlining an alternative circumstantial view. It is a story not a series of mad things. MT was working along similar lines only his take was that the police accidently shot SC who was not dead when they were removing the rifle from her body.

Why? That would be hard to explain to someone who doesn't think so.

[Bubo bubo]

It's in Cal's book and I also asked a friend of Cook to verify it and - he was indeed training.

OK thanks for that but CAL got most of her info from the very people who framed him. Only you know the Cook friend bit so I accept this. It does not change Birds action and recordings.

[Jane]

It was not done to frame JB otherwise they would have arrested and charged him immediately. It was done to cover their arses so that they could tell any future external investigators their scenario of 4 murders and a suicide, hiding the accidental shooting.

And, if this WAS the case, you have to admit they've been remarkably successful.

There was absolutely NO need for them to bring JB into the equation. They had their 'culprit', complete with murder weapon, and, conveniently, dead. She couldn't protest her innocence. MORE!! Allegedly, they had her suicide note. Surely its reveal would cut through -and out- anything the family had in the way of suspicions about JB? But they chose to keep it hidden, causing the whole Essex force to lose face and clocking up thousands more man hours at vast expense to the tax payer, and for what, exactly? To cover up a shot they had every right to take in the line of duty!!

The saying goes, that once a lie is told, other lies become necessary to explain away the first lie. Thus it seems with this convoluted theory of yours, the skeins of which have become more entwined as attempts are made to make something from nothing.

[Steve_uk]

And, if this WAS the case, you have to admit they've been remarkably successful.

There was absolutely NO need for them to bring JB into the equation. They had their 'culprit', complete with murder weapon, and, conveniently, dead. She couldn't protest her innocence. MORE!! Allegedly, they had her suicide note. Surely its reveal would cut through -and out- anything the family had in the way of suspicions about JB? But they chose to keep it hidden, causing the whole Essex force to lose face and clocking up thousands more man hours at vast expense to the tax payer, and for what, exactly? To cover up a shot they had every right to take in the line of duty!!

The saying goes, that once a lie is told, other lies become necessary to explain away the first lie. Thus it seems with this convoluted theory of yours, the skeins of which have become more entwined as attempts are made to make something from nothing.

A very good point Jane.