The window Jeremy used for entry

[Zoso]

You certainly don't investigate something by refusing to accept new discoveries.  We can go back to saying the Sun travels around the Earth if you want. Or that all diseases are caused by foul humours.

That's not a new discovery. it's a new theory, which can't be proven either way and which doesn't indicate who the perpetrated the murders. 

[Zoso]

If you watch the Boyce video and listen to the podcast I think it will leave most with little doubt that the Aga made the burns to Nevills back Zoso.

What makes you think I haven't?

[Roch]

That's not a new discovery. it's a new theory, which can't be proven either way and which doesn't indicate who the perpetrated the murders.

Those who support guilt should of course question new discoveries / theories. Nevertheless, those who support guilt are cumbersomely tied to a mid-80's case orthodoxy.  If the case orthodoxy was sound, we wouldn't be here.

[Zoso]

There are three reasons why blood is not shown on the carpet two of which could be used in conjunction. The first is that they used another piece of carpet. There were similar sized pieces which could have been substituted and some appear in other crime scene pics on this site. There is also a piece along June's side of the bed. I do not favour this option for length reasons mainly. The second is that it is concealed beneath the cushions and the piece of white towel shown in some of the pics. My main theory is that they turned the carpet over and used the cushions and towel. If you look at the place where the burns are said to have been made and impose NB on the pics it is perfectly possible that the main area of blood would be where the cushions and towel are placed. However he had other and some minor injuries in other places which should have led to spotting in other areas. As the blood loss from these below head wounds would be less and not soak through overturning the rug catered for these while the cushions and towel catered for the large amount from his head injuries. This is why when they relocated him it was as close to the original positioning to be able to claim he had not been moved.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4075;image
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4076;image
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4083;image
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4090;image

This one is the best view and in my opinion is the underside of the rug (no tufts). I am currently having an Afghan carpet restored. Even with more refined weaving the underside is smooth and the upper is tufted. Hope this helps.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=7295;image

They?

[Bubo bubo]

They?

Stupid remark IMO it is obvious I am suggesting the police.

[Bubo bubo]

Stupid remark IMO it is obvious I am suggesting the police.

I would further add that these pieces of rug look like an old carpet that has been repurposed to provide protection to the underlying materials. A large carpet would yield several rugs. As far as I can tell all the others appear to have tufts. What is more the one by the Aga has what appear to be stains from spillage or been placed on newly washed flooring. I know these are not the highest quality photos but it looks greenish as you might expect from algae forming on the damp underside of the rug.

[snow66!]

What makes you think I haven't?

Yet you still doubt the Aga made them Zoso?

[Adam]

Yet you still doubt the Aga made them Zoso?

Bamber made the marks with the rifle nozzle. Heating it in the aga.

Nevill's position was perfect to do this.

[Adam]

The 2012 CCRC submission was based on the rifle inflicting the burn marks. Minus the silencer.

[ILB]

Bamber made the marks with the rifle nozzle. Heating it in the aga.

Nevill's position was perfect to do this.

Not to check for sign of life

[Roch]

The 2012 CCRC submission was based on the rifle inflicting the burn marks. Minus the silencer.

It was, but to confirm this theory, more tests were needed. The CCRC kept Bamber in on a technicality. They dismissed the entire evidence from homicide forensic experts regarding Sheila, without countering it, purely because more tests were needed regarding Nevill's back.

Fast foward and now it can be shown that the Aga parts are a near perfect match for marks on Nevill's back.  Maybe they will ask for more tests again.

[snow66!]

Bamber made the marks with the rifle nozzle. Heating it in the aga.

Nevill's position was perfect to do this.

Nevills position was perfect for the final four head shots Adam.

[Roch]

That's not a new discovery. it's a new theory, which can't be proven either way and which doesn't indicate who the perpetrated the murders.

If he was merely unconscious at the Aga, that doesn't support Jeremy as the killer.  If he was dead at the Aga, why would Jeremy need to haul him on to chairs? 

If Nevill was merely unconscious at the Aga, then the reason he wasn't found there was because he moved himself from that position.

[Adam]

Nevills position was perfect for the final four head shots Adam.

That is correct as well.

[Adam]

It was, but to confirm this theory, more tests were needed. The CCRC kept Bamber in on a technicality. They dismissed the entire evidence from homicide forensic experts regarding Sheila, without countering it, purely because more tests were needed regarding Nevill's back.

Fast foward and now it can be shown that the Aga parts are a near perfect match for marks on Nevill's back.  Maybe they will ask for more tests again.

Have you got a source for that?

Not just Yvonne saying it is the case on a podcast.