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[Zoso]

Was the wallet brought up at trial ? I don't think it was was it?

If Jeremy is innocent would he recall in fairness a conversation about the wallet with Ann Eaton in 1985 somewhat 28 years later in correspondance with Zoso?

If he had been challenged upon this in cross examination then yes I would except him to have a ready answer. Of course he will have seen and studied the statements off Ann eaton and the wallet instance but if it didn't seem detrimental to him maybe he forgot about it?

Of course if he is gulity, it does provide an uncomfortable question to him.

I can imagine him making a guesswork of how much cash was in the wallet. An exact amount however invites the conclusion that he possibly did rifle through it

No, not brought up at trial. These are my thoughts on the case and things that bugged/bugs me. No one else has to agree, I know what I asked and and how he avoided answering the actual question and for how long. I have never sought the approval of anyone else on this, I simply shared the info as a topic for debate.

If he didn't remember the conversation, then that's all he had to say but he didn't. He played some silly game. However, before I stopped writing, he must have forgotten I had asked about the wallet and recounted basically what Ann said in her statement - he mentioned it to tell me how pissed off he was at Ann for not telling hm where it went and thought she must have been gloating. So, he did remember, he just didn't want to tell me how he knew how much was in it.

Like I said, no one has to agree but given his behaviour, I'm pretty sure he did rifle through but the 'guesswork' is Ann Eaton's recollection - it could be that she didn't remember whether he said 4 or 5 hundred pounds. Either way, he did a LOT of avoiding.

[Adam]

No, not brought up at trial. These are my thoughts on the case and things that bugged/bugs me. No one else has to agree, I know what I asked and and how he avoided answering the actual question and for how long. I have never sought the approval of anyone else on this, I simply shared the info as a topic for debate.

If he didn't remember the conversation, then that's all he had to say but he didn't. He played some silly game. However, before I stopped writing, he must have forgotten I had asked about the wallet and recounted basically what Ann said in her statement - he mentioned it to tell me how pissed off he was at Ann for not telling hm where it went and thought she must have been gloating. So, he did remember, he just didn't want to tell me how he knew how much was in it.

Like I said, no one has to agree but given his behaviour, I'm pretty sure he did rifle through but the 'guesswork' is Ann Eaton's recollection - it could be that she didn't remember whether he said 4 or 5 hundred pounds. Either way, he did a LOT of avoiding.

How do you think he knew how much it was?

[Roch]

My interpretation of this, is that when Jeremy is released, Zozo will massively apologise to him. It will be 'hold my hands up' moment.

[Zoso]

My interpretation of this, is that when Jeremy is released, Zozo will massively apologise to him. It will be 'hold my hands up' moment.

  - Then you'll wake up and find out you're late for work!!

[Zoso]

How do you think he knew how much it was?

Coz he counted it.

[Adam]

Coz he counted it.

Do you think he counted at supper or just after firing the shots?

Did he know the exact amount or gave an estimate?

[snow66!]

No, not brought up at trial. These are my thoughts on the case and things that bugged/bugs me. No one else has to agree, I know what I asked and and how he avoided answering the actual question and for how long. I have never sought the approval of anyone else on this, I simply shared the info as a topic for debate.

If he didn't remember the conversation, then that's all he had to say but he didn't. He played some silly game. However, before I stopped writing, he must have forgotten I had asked about the wallet and recounted basically what Ann said in her statement - he mentioned it to tell me how pissed off he was at Ann for not telling hm where it went and thought she must have been gloating. So, he did remember, he just didn't want to tell me how he knew how much was in it.

Like I said, no one has to agree but given his behaviour, I'm pretty sure he did rifle through but the 'guesswork' is Ann Eaton's recollection - it could be that she didn't remember whether he said 4 or 5 hundred pounds. Either way, he did a LOT of avoiding.

Sorry to bother you again about the wallat Zoso,but when you say it was found in Nevills pocket do you mean in the pocket of his trousers? The trousers he had been wearing that day? Where exactly were all his clothes found that he had been wearing that day? I mean,JB went upstairs to look for the wallet didn't he,so was it the main bedroom he was searching and if so does this mean his trousers were well away from any blood spatter and therefore not siezed by the police? You say AE rifled through the victims clothing ,does this mean she was deliberately looking for valuables in their pockets or just Nevills wallet?

As I say,did AE go directly to the trousers that she presumed Nevill had been wearing that day knowing his wallet and credit cards would be in the pocket?
The main question for me is WHERE WAS THE WALLET FOUND? In which room? Is this stated in AEs statements?

[Zoso]

Do you think he counted at supper or just after firing the shots?

Did he know the exact amount or gave an estimate?

Again, this isn't the point, the point is that if it were innocent, why not answer the question rather than avoid it for 2 years. I have no idea he HE estimated or if Ann Eaton didn't remember if he said 4 or 5 hundred. I think he counted it before he left the house - just after the murders.

[Zoso]

Sorry to bother you again about the wallat Zoso,but when you say it was found in Nevills pocket do you mean in the pocket of his trousers? The trousers he had been wearing that day? Where exactly were all his clothes found that he had been wearing that day? I mean,JB went upstairs to look for the wallet didn't he,so was it the main bedroom he was searching and if so does this mean his trousers were well away from any blood spatter and therefore not siezed by the police? You say AE rifled through the victims clothing ,does this mean she was deliberately looking for valuables in their pockets or just Nevills wallet?

As I say,did AE go directly to the trousers that she presumed Nevill had been wearing that day knowing his wallet and credit cards would be in the pocket?
The main question for me is WHERE WAS THE WALLET FOUND? In which room? Is this stated in AEs statements?

I have no idea which trousers or which room, Jeremy went looking on his own. Nevill was found in his PJ bottoms so must have removed his trousers. I don't think I did say that AE rifled through the victims pockets, I believe I said that they collected valuables on the instructions of the will executor - Basil Cock. They didn't just collect the wallet, they also collected June's handbags and Jewellery and they took the guns.

No, she didn't go directly to his trousers - in fact it was RWB who found the wallet after looking through various items of clothing. I'd read her statement for more clarity. However, before you go down the route of telling me that AE must also have known where the wallet was, therefore it's not strange that Jeremy did. I'll REPEAT, that if the whole thing was innocent - that he knew where the wallet was kept and had been informed of how much was in it - WHY DID HE AVOID ANSWERING FOR TWO YEARS? And when the wallet wasn't where he expected it to be, how did he KNOW it was missing and that Nevill hadn't just put it some place else? Everyone ALWAYS misses the point, giving reason for how he knew and THAT is NOT the issue.

[snow66!]

I have no idea which trousers or which room, Jeremy went looking on his own. Nevill was found in his PJ bottoms so must have removed his trousers. I don't think I did say that AE rifled through the victims pockets, I believe I said that they collected valuables on the instructions of the will executor - Basil Cock. They didn't just collect the wallet, they also collected June's handbags and Jewellery and they took the guns.

No, she didn't go directly to his trousers - in fact it was RWB who found the wallet after looking through various items of clothing. I'd read her statement for more clarity. However, before you go down the route of telling me that AE must also have known where the wallet was, therefore it's not strange that Jeremy did. I'll REPEAT, that if the whole thing was innocent - that he knew where the wallet was kept and had been informed of how much was in it - WHY DID HE AVOID ANSWERING FOR TWO YEARS? And when the wallet wasn't where he expected it to be, how did he KNOW it was missing and that Nevill hadn't just put it some place else? Everyone ALWAYS misses the point, giving reason for how he knew and THAT is NOT the issue.

Ah,so it is RWBs statements I should be reading then Zoso,I cant find any mention of the finding of the wallet in AEs statements  anyway,just her statement of JB looking for the wallet then phoning the police.

I just hope RWB explains EXACTLY where he found the wallet,that is,which room? This is vital,it would go some way to proving whether Nevill was in bed on the night of the murders,ie,which room were his clothes found?

[Jane]

Sorry to bother you again about the wallat Zoso,but when you say it was found in Nevills pocket do you mean in the pocket of his trousers? The trousers he had been wearing that day? Where exactly were all his clothes found that he had been wearing that day? I mean,JB went upstairs to look for the wallet didn't he,so was it the main bedroom he was searching and if so does this mean his trousers were well away from any blood spatter and therefore not siezed by the police? You say AE rifled through the victims clothing ,does this mean she was deliberately looking for valuables in their pockets or just Nevills wallet?

As I say,did AE go directly to the trousers that she presumed Nevill had been wearing that day knowing his wallet and credit cards would be in the pocket?
The main question for me is WHERE WAS THE WALLET FOUND? In which room? Is this stated in AEs statements?

Why are you so concerned about which particular item of Nevill's clothes contained the wallet, Snow? He was wearing pyjamas when he was found, so presumably removed his outer clothes in the bedroom/dressing room? I can't give a definitive answer, but I imagine the shape of the wallet would have had a bearing on where, about his person, it was kept, ie a square shape might have fitted into a back trouser pocket whereas an oblong shape would have fitted better in a jacket pocket. However, all this is only splitting hairs, isn't it. It appears that JB knew exactly where he could lay hands on it, so, on finding that it was missing from that place, believed/suspected it had been stolen, as opposed to thinking his father may have put it somewhere else................rather difficult to do if one happens to be dead, don't you think?

[Jane]

Ah,so it is RWBs statements I should be reading then Zoso,I cant find any mention of the finding of the wallet in AEs statements  anyway,just her statement of JB looking for the wallet then phoning the police.

I just hope RWB explains EXACTLY where he found the wallet,that is,which room? This is vital,it would go some way to proving whether Nevill was in bed on the night of the murders,ie,which room were his clothes found?

It would prove no more than Nevill having removed his clothes upstairs.

[snow66!]

Why are you so concerned about which particular item of Nevill's clothes contained the wallet, Snow? He was wearing pyjamas when he was found, so presumably removed his outer clothes in the bedroom/dressing room? I can't give a definitive answer, but I imagine the shape of the wallet would have had a bearing on where, about his person, it was kept, ie a square shape might have fitted into a back trouser pocket whereas an oblong shape would have fitted better in a jacket pocket. However, all this is only splitting hairs, isn't it. It appears that JB knew exactly where he could lay hands on it, so, on finding that it was missing from that place, believed/suspected it had been stolen, as opposed to thinking his father may have put it somewhere else................rather difficult to do if one happens to be dead, don't you think?

Well,I am looking at a number of different issues here Jane,mainly which room the wallet was found. As far as Bamber knowing the wallet was missing because it was not in the pocket of his dads clothing this is not strictly true.Remember JB went upstairs himself to look for the wallet,so he probably checked Nevills bedside cabinet or any other possible place the wallet could possibly be as well as his clothing.

Maybe it was common practice to place his wallet in a certain place at night,why wouldn't it be? You have to take your wallet out of your pocket in order to put your clothes in the washing basket anyway.
Basically,the main bedroom is the only logical place that Nevill would have keep his wallet in the house and only in certain places surely,eg,his bedside cabinet.No one was with him to know where he looked,were they?

BUT,lets concentrate on WHERE the wallet WAS actually found before we conclude too much shall we Jane?

[Jane]

Well,I am looking at a number of different issues here Jane,mainly which room the wallet was found. As far as Bamber knowing the wallet was missing because it was not in the pocket of his dads clothing this is not strictly true.Remember JB went upstairs himself to look for the wallet,so he probably checked Nevills bedside cabinet or any other possible place the wallet could possibly be as well as his clothing.

Maybe it was common practice to place his wallet in a certain place at night,why wouldn't it be? You have to take your wallet out of your pocket in order to put your clothes in the washing basket anyway.
Basically,the main bedroom is the only logical place that Nevill would have keep his wallet in the house and only in certain places surely,eg,his bedside cabinet.No one was with him to know where he looked,were they?


You can take your pick of upstairs rooms, Snow. Most obvious being master bedroom, dressing room/small bedroom/bathroom. It's perfectly possible that JB wasn't 'looking' for the wallet because he already knew where it was? No need then to check anything.

Irrelevant of where Nevill habitually put his wallet overnight. It made no difference to JB. He didn't live there. Who has claimed Nevill deposited his clothes in the washing basket. Such is nothing more than supposition. IF I had to put money on it, I'd say the most likely place for it would have been in the pocket of whatever jacket he'd been wearing that day.............but it's only a guess.

BUT,lets concentrate on WHERE the wallet WAS actually found before we conclude too much shall we Jane?

[ILB]

I think the biggest issue for zoso was that he didn't readily supply and answer in the time frame she wanted. Which is fair enough
 She interpreted it as Jeremy avoiding the issue.

To me the scenario is simple he either knew what what in the wallet after murdering the family and rifling through it.

Or he made a estimate guess, from nevill pulling the wallet out on ocassions beforehand, nevill telling him, nevill sending him on a errand, work related, nevill buying the staff a bacon sandwich and coffee etc etc

My grandad kept a lot of money in his wallet I lived with him more or less from childhood early 80s. He sent me on errands for his car buisness He as joke used to do a " loadsa money impression " for those of you who are old enough to remember Harry Enfield !

I could make a rough estimate not an exact guess