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[Zoso]

How did AE know where to find it Zoso? In fact where did she find it ,and how much money was there in it?

This topic is discussed elsewhere, it's pretty off-topic for this thread but she and RWB found it while looking for valuables as instructed by the executor of the will (Basil Cock). It's actually Ann Eaton who is recalling that Bamber said £400/£500, we don't know if she just didn't recall which number he said, this is her recollection. It was in Nevill's pocket - an obvious place - yes of course BUT, when Bamber didn't find it there, he immediately knew it was missing - he didn't think that Nevill had maybe put it down somewhere else - he knew it was missing and well, he would do if he'd seen it there after the murders, Nevill couldn't move it once dead.

[Bubo bubo]

This topic is discussed elsewhere, it's pretty off-topic for this thread but she and RWB found it while looking for valuables as instructed by the executor of the will (Basil Cock). It's actually Ann Eaton who is recalling that Bamber said £400/£500, we don't know if she just didn't recall which number he said, this is her recollection. It was in Nevill's pocket - an obvious place - yes of course BUT, when Bamber didn't find it there, he immediately knew it was missing - he didn't think that Nevill had maybe put it down somewhere else - he knew it was missing and well, he would do if he'd seen it there after the murders, Nevill couldn't move it once dead.

I have always thought that he knew roughly how much because either he or NB had collected takings from the camp site (it was peak holiday season). He would know were his dad kept it. When someone dies their bank accounts are frozen until after probate. JB was probably advised to search out as much cash as possible.

[Zoso]

I have always thought that he knew roughly how much because either he or NB had collected takings from the camp site (it was peak holiday season). He would know were his dad kept it. When someone dies their bank accounts are frozen until after probate. JB was probably advised to search out as much cash as possible.

Neither of them 'collected' takings from the camp site, unless you have a source stating that? That's what the office was for - the one Bamber robbed. Jeremy was involved in the harvest - you're just making stuff up to explain something there is no good reason for. You accuse others of doing something you do regularly yourself. There is NO good REASON why he would know how much was in the wallet and if there was, then he would have said so, instead of avoiding the question for two years! Instead of trying to think of reasons why he would know, why don't you explain why he didn't give the reason instead of being evasive because that's the POINT!

'JB' wasn't advised to search out cash at all - Basil Cock (the executor of the will) had already asked the Eaton's to do that because they had the key. Jeremy worked and was paid so he had wages to live on.

Even if he guessed that the wallet was most likely in his fathers pocket, there was no reason to believe that it was missing' just because it wasn't there. His father may have put it some place else but Jeremy seemed to KNOW it missing and the only way he would know that, is if he was the last person to see it there!

[Roch]

Good thread this. Good debate.

[ILB]

How is that important?

Bamber is the person convicted.

Was the wallet brought up at trial ? I don't think it was was it?

If Jeremy is innocent would he recall in fairness a conversation about the wallet with Ann Eaton in 1985 somewhat 28 years later in correspondance with Zoso?

If he had been challenged upon this in cross examination then yes I would except him to have a ready answer. Of course he will have seen and studied the statements off Ann eaton and the wallet instance but if it didn't seem detrimental to him maybe he forgot about it?

Of course if he is gulity, it does provide an uncomfortable question to him.

I can imagine him making a guesswork of how much cash was in the wallet. An exact amount however invites the conclusion that he possibly did rifle through it

[Adam]

Was the wallet brought up at trial ? I don't think it was was it?

If Jeremy is innocent would he recall in fairness a conversation about the wallet with Ann Eaton in 1985 somewhat 28 years later in correspondance with Zoso?

If he had been challenged upon this in cross examination then yes I would except him to have a ready answer. Of course he will have seen and studied the statements off Ann eaton and the wallet instance but if it didn't seem detrimental to him maybe he forgot about it?

Of course if he is gulity, it does provide an uncomfortable question to him.

I can imagine him making a guesswork of how much cash was in the wallet. An exact amount however invites the conclusion that he possibly did rifle through it

That is not answering my question on Snow66!'s post -

'How did AE know where to find it Zoso? In fact where did she find it ,and how much money was there in it'.

[Adam]

Neither of them 'collected' takings from the camp site, unless you have a source stating that? That's what the office was for - the one Bamber robbed. Jeremy was involved in the harvest - you're just making stuff up to explain something there is no good reason for. You accuse others of doing something you do regularly yourself. There is NO good REASON why he would know how much was in the wallet and if there was, then he would have said so, instead of avoiding the question for two years! Instead of trying to think of reasons why he would know, why don't you explain why he didn't give the reason instead of being evasive because that's the POINT!

'JB' wasn't advised to search out cash at all - Basil Cock (the executor of the will) had already asked the Eaton's to do that because they had the key. Jeremy worked and was paid so he had wages to live on.

Even if he guessed that the wallet was most likely in his fathers pocket, there was no reason to believe that it was missing' just because it wasn't there. His father may have put it some place else but Jeremy seemed to KNOW it missing and the only way he would know that, is if he was the last person to see it there!

Are you saying Bamber checked how much money was at WHF after the massacre and before cycling back?

[Adam]

This topic is discussed elsewhere, it's pretty off-topic for this thread but she and RWB found it while looking for valuables as instructed by the executor of the will (Basil Cock). It's actually Ann Eaton who is recalling that Bamber said £400/£500, we don't know if she just didn't recall which number he said, this is her recollection. It was in Nevill's pocket - an obvious place - yes of course BUT, when Bamber didn't find it there, he immediately knew it was missing - he didn't think that Nevill had maybe put it down somewhere else - he knew it was missing and well, he would do if he'd seen it there after the murders, Nevill couldn't move it once dead.

Yes it is very off topic. Not for the first time in this thread. Very disappointing.

Case is so big and famous it has produced  books, video's dramas, campaign teams & forums. Supporters even have there own T Shirt.

So specific threads need to be created on the important issues which stay on topic. 

[Adam]

If Bamber was going to check how much cash was at WHF just after the massacre, he would then take it back with him on the night.

Not hard to carry.

[Adam]

If Nevill always took the caravan cash back with him, he would know roughly how much would be at WHF.

Maybe there was more than usual  on the night of the caravan break in. So he persuaded Nevill to leave it in the caravan safe.

[Adam]

The caravan takings would be taken back to WHF daily by Nevill. In 1985 most people would pay by cash.

If Nevill was not around, whoever was at the caravan office would put the cash in the safe.

Bamber would not know when there was cash in the safe, as he was working in the fields.

The night of the caravan break in he was at the caravan site & persuaded Nevill to leave the cash in the safe.

So he would know there would be cash at WHF most nights as Nevill took it back. 

[Adam]

Or Nevill just kept his own cash at WHF. He was rich and cash was the most popular way of making payments then.

Several ways he would know roughly how much cash was at WHF -

He counted it at supper.

He counted it during the massacre.

He knew the average caravan daily takings.

He checked paperwork which stated the days takings.

[Bubo bubo]

I have always thought that he knew roughly how much because either he or NB had collected takings from the camp site (it was peak holiday season). He would know were his dad kept it. When someone dies their bank accounts are frozen until after probate. JB was probably advised to search out as much cash as possible.

Come to think of it didn't JB make a sarcastic comment about the police nicking things
That would not have gone down well with SBJ.
Of course JB could have made an official complaint about it since at least 40 EP officers are recorded as attending the scene for one reason or another.
It is also possible that AE said she gave it to BC to help clear the police if they did take it.
The accounts from BC should show this if available
However this is one aspect of the case which cannot be resolved either way.
So you pays your money and makes your choice.

[Zoso]

Come to think of it didn't JB make a sarcastic comment about the police nicking things
That would not have gone down well with SBJ.
Of course JB could have made an official complaint about it since at least 40 EP officers are recorded as attending the scene for one reason or another.
It is also possible that AE said she gave it to BC to help clear the police if they did take it.
The accounts from BC should show this if available
However this is one aspect of the case which cannot be resolved either way.
So you pays your money and makes your choice.

It's resolved to me.

[Adam]

Was the caravan site safe a key or combination safe?

Either way only a handful of people would have a key or know the combination.

An experienced safe cracker would not waste his time.

Would have taken Nevill about 2 minutes to realise who had taken the money.