The window Jeremy used for entry

[Steve_uk]

It is true the police were watching him but it is also possible that their interest was more to do with drug issues. At that time there was a lot of Heroin as well as weed circulating in the area in and around Colchester and nearby was Tollesbury and a Marina where boats could land drugs. The family and rumours of aircraft drops to farms was also a topic of discussion in the local pubs. Again you take the opportunity to insinuate.

Jeremy was suspected by DS Jones within 48 hours. Had Julie come forward immediately one wonders whether Jeremy would have been arrested on the spot. This brings me to Robert Boutflour and his perseverance with ACC Peter Simpson on Thursday 5 September, 1985.

[Bubo bubo]

Jeremy was suspected by DS Jones within 48 hours. Had Julie come forward immediately one wonders whether Jeremy would have been arrested on the spot. This brings me to Robert Boutflour and his perseverance with ACC Peter Simpson on Thursday 5 September, 1985.

Yes but when he said this PV said that SC would have to be drugged see his statements. He also said he could offer no evidence to support this misgiving which at this stage could only be a feeliing.

[Bubo bubo]

Yes but when he said this PV said that SC would have to be drugged see his statements. He also said he could offer no evidence to support this misgiving which at this stage could only be a feeling.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1191.0;attach=6169;image.

Seems to me you are now behaving like Adam. Making statements which only tell part of the story. Read paragraphs 4 and 5 folks

[Steve_uk]

Yes but when he said this PV said that SC would have to be drugged see his statements. He also said he could offer no evidence to support this misgiving which at this stage could only be a feeliing.

She was on Haloperidol. Even though her dosage had been reduced they still found a trace amount in her system. PV also stated Jeremy "would have to be a nutter" to carry out this crime. Jeremy went more than half way to admitting this to Julie one evening at Blazer's Restaurant, Blackheath, when he told her "maybe there is something wrong with me."

Julie was a trainee teacher, a university student; Jeremy a public school educated young man from wealthy farming stock. He deceived police initially by telling lies outside the Farm, though there was a Freudian slip to PC Lay about a £38,000 Porsche, which manifested how his mind was working at a stage the bodies had yet to be recovered.

This always was Robert Boutflour's case, not Julie's. Maybe the former's actions acted as a catalyst to her coming forward, but without the momentum from that side of the family I doubt the case would ever have come to court.

[Bubo bubo]

..and it seems to me you like to niggle like no other member on this site heretofore. Adam posts, and members may have differing views, but he rarely makes it personal.

He does not need to as part of his tactic is to play the innocent when it must be clear that it is done deliberately to wind up honest posters.

[Bubo bubo]

She was on Haloperidol. Even though her dosage had been reduced they still found a trace amount in her system. PV also stated Jeremy "would have to be a nutter" to carry out this crime. Jeremy went more than half way to admitting this to Julie one evening at Blazer's Restaurant, Blackheath, when he told her "maybe there is something wrong with me."

Julie was a trainee teacher, a university student; Jeremy a public school educated young man from wealthy farming stock. He deceived police initially by telling lies outside the Farm, though there was a Freudian slip to PC Lay about a £38,000 Porsche, which manifested how his mind was working at a stage the bodies had yet to be recovered.


This always was Robert Boutflour's case, not Julie's. Maybe the former's actions acted as a catalyst to her coming forward, but without the momentum from that side of the family I doubt the case would ever have come to court.

Now you are playing games. Trying to relate two different events based on statements from two different people. There is no connection between these. You are also insinuating that it proves JB is a nutter. JM was a fraudster and liar and we only have her word for that statement. How do we know he was not feeling unwell while eating. Further JB has been examined by many eminent psychiatrists and psychologists and all have said he is normal.

[Bubo bubo]

It was an excuse to open the safe and snoop, thus uncovering the contents of the wills. That is leaving aside his need for a foreign jaunt so soon after the deaths. Ann Eaton had given him a key anyway.

Pure speculation coupled with character assassination and how do we know if he had forgotten the key or the date when AE gave it to him in relation to his entry.  Had he been advised by anyone like a doctor to take a break. More evidence required to substantiate this post

[Steve_uk]

Now you are playing games. Trying to relate two different events based on statements from two different people. There is no connection between these. You are also insinuating that it proves JB is a nutter. JM was a fraudster and liar and we only have her word for that statement. How do we know he was not feeling unwell while eating. Further JB has been examined by many eminent psychiatrists and psychologists and all have said he is normal.

I insinuated nothing of the kind. It's a statement he made which I was commenting on, as with Julie's comment.

[Steve_uk]

Pure speculation coupled with character assassination and how do we know if he had forgotten the key or the date when AE gave it to him in relation to his entry.  Had he been advised by anyone like a doctor to take a break. More evidence required to substantiate this post

Monday 12 August 1985 was the date Jeremy was given a key to the new back door. He returned from the Amsterdam drugs trip on 23 August. Departed for France sometime after 16 September, following the seedy Michael Fielder incident. Arrested at Dover Sunday 29 September.

So he had a key to the Farm all along. (CAL Chapter 27)

[Bubo bubo]

I insinuated nothing of the kind. It's a statement he made which I was commenting on, as with Julie's comment.

I agree but there is a clear attempt to link the two made by different people at different times your mea culpa fools no one

[Steve_uk]

I agree but there is a clear attempt to link the two made by different people at different times your mea culpa fools no one

Vanezis evidently considered whether one of the suspects was a nutter-his word not mine. There is testimony from Julie that maybe Jeremy saw himself in that light.

[Bubo bubo]

She was on Haloperidol. Even though her dosage had been reduced they still found a trace amount in her system. PV also stated Jeremy "would have to be a nutter" to carry out this crime. Jeremy went more than half way to admitting this to Julie one evening at Blazer's Restaurant, Blackheath, when he told her "maybe there is something wrong with me."

Julie was a trainee teacher, a university student; Jeremy a public school educated young man from wealthy farming stock. He deceived police initially by telling lies outside the Farm, though there was a Freudian slip to PC Lay about a £38,000 Porsche, which manifested how his mind was working at a stage the bodies had yet to be recovered.

This always was Robert Boutflour's case, not Julie's. Maybe the former's actions acted as a catalyst to her coming forward, but without the momentum from that side of the family I doubt the case would ever have come to court.

Trotting out the guilters old chestnuts of Haloperidol and the Porsche  comment. I did not know you were a mind reader. He could have just been making conversation to ease his mind from evolving events. I do not know how you can put such a spin on the state of his mind. Do we even know that he said it given it was made by a member of the EP. Do you seriously believe SC just lay down and let JB shoot her.

[Bubo bubo]

Vanezis evidently considered whether one of the suspects was a nutter-his word not mine. There is testimony from Julie that maybe Jeremy saw himself in that light.

Where did JM say JB thought he was mentally disturbed.

[Bubo bubo]

Monday 12 August 1985 was the date Jeremy was given a key to the new back door. He returned from the Amsterdam drugs trip on 23 August. Departed for France sometime after 16 September, following the seedy Michael Fielder incident. Arrested at Dover Sunday 29 September.

So he had a key to the Farm all along. (CAL Chapter 27)

But we do not know if he forgot to take it. It is an easy mistake to make and I am sure we have all done something akin to this at various times. Perhaps he did not wish to return to Goldhanger and remake the journey and didn't he leave a note saying what he had done. How do you know he looked at the wills on that day.

[Steve_uk]

Where did JM say JB thought he was mentally disturbed.

In the head. Seriously: at Blazer's Restaurant, Blackheath.