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Why can't NATO win a land war against Russia in Europe?
Roch:
--- Quote from: lookout on July 06, 2023, 04:33:PM ---Russia are keeping the best 'till last. Don't be fooled by them David.
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David is fooled by many things. 😏.
Re Russia / Ukraine, I wonder whether something bad will happen to Putin, from his own lot.
David1819:
--- Quote from: lookout on July 06, 2023, 04:33:PM ---Russia are keeping the best 'till last. Don't be fooled by them David.
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Its day 498 of the "10 day special military operation". According to Russian plans "last" was 489 days ago.
David1819:
--- Quote from: Roch on July 06, 2023, 04:46:PM ---David is fooled by many things. 😏.
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That's rich coming from you.
--- Quote from: Roch on July 06, 2023, 04:46:PM ---Re Russia / Ukraine, I wonder whether something bad will happen to Putin, from his own lot.
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If he is taken out, it would likely be done by pro war hardliners like Prigozhin and Surovikin who support the war but are not happy with how Putin has prosecuted it and think they can do better. Putin being removed will not necessarily end the conflict.
Talking of Prigozhin. The Russian police have raided his mansion.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12268721/Wagner-chief-Prigozhins-palace-raided-Police-closet-WIGS-photo-severed-heads.html
gringo:
--- Quote from: lookout on July 06, 2023, 04:33:PM ---Russia are keeping the best 'till last. Don't be fooled by them David.
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This is true, Lookout. Part of NATO plans in using Ukraine was to force the Russians to use their "best stuff". Forewarned and all that... There are strategies and nuances at play that sail way over David's "Hollywoodised" view of the world.
gringo:
Aside from the impossibly long and therefore easily interdicted logistical nightmare of getting troops and equipment to the front, there is also the huge issue of industrial capacity. NATO Military Industrial Complex(MIC) is inefficient and corrupt and exists mainly to sell overpriced junk to NATO countries. They have no industrial capacity to quickly ramp up production to the requirements needed to fight Russia.
Take the F35 as a glaring example of NATO inefficiecy/corruption.
https://theweek.com/us-military/1020858/the-f-35-fighter-jets-troubled-history#:~:text=The%20F%2D35%20has%20been,lightning%2C%22%20Business%20Insider%20reports.
From the article above;
Right from the beginning. The Vanity Fair's Adam Ciralzky reported in 2013 that the Joint Strike Fighter program was launched in 2001 with a plan to put entire squadrons of planes in the air by 2010, at a relatively paltry cost of $233 billion. More than a decade later, however, the plans were "at least seven years behind schedule and plagued by a risky development strategy, shoddy management, laissez-faire oversight, countless design flaws, and skyrocketing costs." Three years after that the project's cost had doubled from its original estimates, and CNN reported that late Sen. John McCain decried the plane's development as "a scandal and a tragedy with respect to cost, schedule, and performance." And those problems continue right up through the present moment. Even now, Business Insider reports the F-35 "still hasn't been approved for full-rate production and remains in limited procurement.
So what are the problems?
Where to start? Here's a short list. The F-35 has been troubled by "problems with its stealth coating, sustained supersonic flight, helmet-mounted display, excessive vibration from its cannon, and even vulnerability to being hit by lightning," Business Insider reports. (The irony? The F-35's official nickname is the "Lightning II.") There have even been troubles building a simulator for pilot training. Because of issues with the jet's tail section, the Pentagon has limited how long the aircraft can fly at supersonic speeds — only short bursts of power are allowed. "The problem may make it impossible for the Navy's F-35C to conduct supersonic intercepts," Defense News reported in 2020. The program has also been plagued by a lack of spare parts for its $12 million engines: In February 2022, The Drive reports, "36 of the fleet of about 450 F-35s — or about 8 percent — were unable to fly because they had no working engine." In August, the Pentagon temporarily paused fighter deliveries because it discovered a Chinese-made part was used in production. And in December, deliveries were paused again after an F-35 crashed in Texas. (The pilot safely ejected.)
17 countries are involved in the F35 program and all have some part in manufacturing different parts. The whole thing(the pinnacle of alleged NATO superiority) is a farce and a massive grift on behalf of Lockheed Martin and its co-conspirators.
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