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« Reply #150 on: December 26, 2023, 04:04:PM »
I doubt Newbattle has much tourist activity. Why didn't the young couple come forward to eliminate themselves from a murder enquiry if it wasn't Jodi and Luke?
Wake up Steve. Come out of your rose coloured world where The lemonade springs
Where the bluebird sings In the Big Rock Candy Mountains. They could have been foreign tourists who left the country or were not local and returned home and never studied the case in any way. Or they never existed. It maybe was someone looking for their five minutes of fame or to get some weird satisfaction of being involved with the case. They do exist, these people who crave attention for some small amount of notoriety. On the other hand it maybe because her husband was a relative of JJ's family.

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« Reply #151 on: December 26, 2023, 04:10:PM »
I doubt Newbattle has much tourist activity. Why didn't the young couple come forward to eliminate themselves from a murder enquiry if it wasn't Jodi and Luke?

The Jury were given very good direction over eye witness testimony. - The Judge went over everything around the fallibility of such, of looking at everything as a whole.

AB did not simply say the top was blue, with clarification of colours etc she had said it was a dark top with slightly lighter coloured bottoms. Dark blue/navy, trousers baggy around the bottom, possibly bootcut, possibly jeans.
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exhibit 146 "black or very dark navy hooded top"


The descriptions of both were not off the scale, the witness had been driving in her car, not walking past two people etc. So it was of seeing two people within minutes of the victim leaving home, sighting at a place the couple often met. Hair possibly contained which it had been. The logo was not an animal, had the top been worn loosely, the logo easily partially covered, the sighting was side on.

It is like Faith just now, from transcripts, saying everyone saw LM in something different, attempting to place it again as off the scale, far from it. All of dark green clothing, not and never the bomber with bright orange lining.

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« Reply #152 on: December 26, 2023, 04:16:PM »
Wake up Steve. Come out of your rose coloured world where The lemonade springs
Where the bluebird sings In the Big Rock Candy Mountains. They could have been foreign tourists who left the country or were not local and returned home and never studied the case in any way. Or they never existed. It maybe was someone looking for their five minutes of fame or to get some weird satisfaction of being involved with the case. They do exist, these people who crave attention for some small amount of notoriety. On the other hand it maybe because her husband was a relative of JJ's family.

I think you are the one who needs to wake up. I do however agree, some who want their moment of fame, notoriety by becoming involved in the case, putting themselves to the fore. Now being exposed for repeatedly, blatantly lying. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Husband a relative of JJ's family - It is no surprise you are so off the mark with most everything. Spouting out nonsense, adding arms and legs to something at the drop of a hat. AB's husband, or her brother in law Mark, was a friend of the victims cousin. Nothing directly linking them, AB unknown to the JJ family, she didn't know them.

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« Reply #153 on: December 26, 2023, 05:29:PM »
The Jury were given very good direction over eye witness testimony. - The Judge went over everything around the fallibility of such, of looking at everything as a whole.

AB did not simply say the top was blue, with clarification of colours etc she had said it was a dark top with slightly lighter coloured bottoms. Dark blue/navy, trousers baggy around the bottom, possibly bootcut, possibly jeans. 

The descriptions of both were not off the scale, the witness had been driving in her car, not walking past two people etc. So it was of seeing two people within minutes of the victim leaving home, sighting at a place the couple often met. Hair possibly contained which it had been. The logo was not an animal, had the top been worn loosely, the logo easily partially covered, the sighting was side on.

It is like Faith just now, from transcripts, saying everyone saw LM in something different, attempting to place it again as off the scale, far from it. All of dark green clothing, not and never the bomber with bright orange lining.

Hardly an accurate description, possibly this possibly that. Now it is side on not the back. We know that under Scottish law testimony which differs from original statements has to accepted unchallenged. Sorry about the animal just my memory but she did not identify the logo. Timing is guess work and purely coincidental and I never said they were off the scale. I do not think you have made the case for a positive ID.

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« Reply #154 on: December 26, 2023, 05:36:PM »
I think you are the one who needs to wake up. I do however agree, some who want their moment of fame, notoriety by becoming involved in the case, putting themselves to the fore. Now being exposed for repeatedly, blatantly lying. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Husband a relative of JJ's family - It is no surprise you are so off the mark with most everything. Spouting out nonsense, adding arms and legs to something at the drop of a hat. AB's husband, or her brother in law Mark, was a friend of the victims cousin. Nothing directly linking them, AB unknown to the JJ family, she didn't know them.

Thank you for clarifying the possible link between AB and a family relative. I knew there was a tentative link but could not remember the exact relationship. She did not know the family I agree. So there was a link albeit not a direct relationship.

I find the AB sighting weak evidence.

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« Reply #155 on: December 26, 2023, 07:07:PM »
The MOST important piece of evidence in this case should be that of Jodi's mother and Alan Ovens.

If ANY timing in this case is important,it is the time that Jodi left her mothers house on the day of the murder.You see,without knowing this time Andrina Brysons alleged sighting means nothing,does it?

Brysons sighting has to tie in roughly with the time Jodi's mother said she left that day.After all it only took about three minutes for Jodi to walk from her mothers house to the entrance to RDP.

Now,it is claimed that ABs first statement says she saw Luke and Jodi at the path around 5.30-5.45,or at least her husband did.This was of course changed by till and bank receipts later on.
The thing is,what time did Judith Jones or Alan Ovens say Jodi left in their first statements? Does anyone know?
Surely this is the most important question of the whole case.This timing has the potential to clear Luke Mitchell by giving him an alibi for the time of the murder obviously.

If we just take a look at the timing of 4.50 when Luke and Jodi met at the entrance to the path, it makes little sense really.I mean,to achieve this they both must have skipped having their supper,now why would they do this? After all,they had seen each other at school that day,so why the desperation to meet on an empty stomach? What did they exchange by text?   [Jodi] I can meet you tonight after supper Luke!
[Luke] Forget supper,lets meet right away. [Jodi],yes ok then,mums making lasagne but I'll just tell her I'm not hungry]   Does that sound reasonable?
Or maybe Jodi had something to eat earlier when she got home from school ? Was this a common procedure?What did her mother say?
Did Jodi have something to eat earlier before she left to meet Luke? A simple question surely.
Any info about if and when Jodi eat that day anyone? Isnt this an important question?

Surely the police asked these sort of questions?
So,has Judith Jones and Alan Ovens first statements been disclosed?
They are all we really need to see,arent they?





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« Reply #156 on: December 26, 2023, 07:45:PM »
The MOST important piece of evidence in this case should be that of Jodi's mother and Alan Ovens.

If ANY timing in this case is important,it is the time that Jodi left her mothers house on the day of the murder.You see,without knowing this time Andrina Brysons alleged sighting means nothing,does it?

Brysons sighting has to tie in roughly with the time Jodi's mother said she left that day.After all it only took about three minutes for Jodi to walk from her mothers house to the entrance to RDP.

Now,it is claimed that ABs first statement says she saw Luke and Jodi at the path around 5.30-5.45,or at least her husband did.This was of course changed by till and bank receipts later on.
The thing is,what time did Judith Jones or Alan Ovens say Jodi left in their first statements? Does anyone know?
Surely this is the most important question of the whole case.This timing has the potential to clear Luke Mitchell by giving him an alibi for the time of the murder obviously.

If we just take a look at the timing of 4.50 when Luke and Jodi met at the entrance to the path, it makes little sense really.I mean,to achieve this they both must have skipped having their supper,now why would they do this? After all,they had seen each other at school that day,so why the desperation to meet on an empty stomach? What did they exchange by text?   [Jodi] I can meet you tonight after supper Luke!
[Luke] Forget supper,lets meet right away. [Jodi],yes ok then,mums making lasagne but I'll just tell her I'm not hungry]   Does that sound reasonable?
Or maybe Jodi had something to eat earlier when she got home from school ? Was this a common procedure?What did her mother say?
Did Jodi have something to eat earlier before she left to meet Luke? A simple question surely.
Any info about if and when Jodi eat that day anyone? Isnt this an important question?

Surely the police asked these sort of questions?
So,has Judith Jones and Alan Ovens first statements been disclosed?
They are all we really need to see,arent they?
Autopsy notes on JJ's stomach contents might give clues as to when she last ate and possibly what she ate.

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« Reply #157 on: December 26, 2023, 07:48:PM »
Autopsy notes on JJ's stomach contents might give clues as to when she last ate and possibly what she ate.
Yes,that did cross my mind Bubo.

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« Reply #158 on: December 26, 2023, 10:59:PM »
The MOST important piece of evidence in this case should be that of Jodi's mother and Alan Ovens.

If ANY timing in this case is important,it is the time that Jodi left her mothers house on the day of the murder.You see,without knowing this time Andrina Brysons alleged sighting means nothing,does it?

Brysons sighting has to tie in roughly with the time Jodi's mother said she left that day.After all it only took about three minutes for Jodi to walk from her mothers house to the entrance to RDP.

Now,it is claimed that ABs first statement says she saw Luke and Jodi at the path around 5.30-5.45,or at least her husband did.This was of course changed by till and bank receipts later on.
The thing is,what time did Judith Jones or Alan Ovens say Jodi left in their first statements? Does anyone know?
Surely this is the most important question of the whole case.This timing has the potential to clear Luke Mitchell by giving him an alibi for the time of the murder obviously.

If we just take a look at the timing of 4.50 when Luke and Jodi met at the entrance to the path, it makes little sense really.I mean,to achieve this they both must have skipped having their supper,now why would they do this? After all,they had seen each other at school that day,so why the desperation to meet on an empty stomach? What did they exchange by text?   [Jodi] I can meet you tonight after supper Luke!
[Luke] Forget supper,lets meet right away. [Jodi],yes ok then,mums making lasagne but I'll just tell her I'm not hungry]   Does that sound reasonable?
Or maybe Jodi had something to eat earlier when she got home from school ? Was this a common procedure?What did her mother say?
Did Jodi have something to eat earlier before she left to meet Luke? A simple question surely.
Any info about if and when Jodi eat that day anyone? Isnt this an important question?

Surely the police asked these sort of questions?
So,has Judith Jones and Alan Ovens first statements been disclosed?
They are all we really need to see,arent they?

Sequence - Girl was on punishments, not allowed out until 6pm on school nights. Lifted once home from school that day. She made contact with only Mitchell, leaving home shortly after the exchange of texts to do just that. No means to contact anyone else. She had been ready to leave home when her mother held her back several minutes, tying in with Mitchell calling the speaking clock, she was running late.

Establishing time. Her parents stating she had left home shortly after the father had gotten in from work. CCTV footage used to time route from station to house, estimated time in house before leaving. He had seen the girl when going into the rest room, front door closing whilst in it, no Jodi upon exiting rest room. Left home by 4:55pm.

Couple seen at their usual meeting place, the lane. AB's timings were taken from the til mechanism initially, found to be faulty, bank statement used because of this. Route and timing, tying in with Jodi leaving home.

Girl entered woodland strip, walked into an area off the beaten track with zero evidence of any altercation, abduction taken place outwith that area. A woodland strip she frequented with Mitchell.

And yes, yada yada yada - All weak, nothing to back anything up, clearly wasn't Mitchell in the lane, clearly not the girl, clearly no girl on the road walking along it, clearly no abduction anywhere else, (bar aliens it would seem). Miraculously the girl was plonked into that area, murdered, and her killer exited by the same means of transport, a real beam me up Scotty kind of killing.

Mitchell had a strong alibi, he was absolutely at home and nowhere else. Because, whilst it is unfathomable to have him as a killer, that child, the wee boy. It is completely fathomable to have every kind of far out scenario of any other killer, everything else fits from whatever other planet, just not Mitchell. 

 


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« Reply #159 on: December 27, 2023, 12:56:AM »
Sequence - Girl was on punishments, not allowed out until 6pm on school nights. Lifted once home from school that day. She made contact with only Mitchell, leaving home shortly after the exchange of texts to do just that. No means to contact anyone else. She had been ready to leave home when her mother held her back several minutes, tying in with Mitchell calling the speaking clock, she was running late.

Establishing time. Her parents stating she had left home shortly after the father had gotten in from work. CCTV footage used to time route from station to house, estimated time in house before leaving. He had seen the girl when going into the rest room, front door closing whilst in it, no Jodi upon exiting rest room. Left home by 4:55pm.

Couple seen at their usual meeting place, the lane. AB's timings were taken from the til mechanism initially, found to be faulty, bank statement used because of this. Route and timing, tying in with Jodi leaving home.

Girl entered woodland strip, walked into an area off the beaten track with zero evidence of any altercation, abduction taken place outwith that area. A woodland strip she frequented with Mitchell.

And yes, yada yada yada - All weak, nothing to back anything up, clearly wasn't Mitchell in the lane, clearly not the girl, clearly no girl on the road walking along it, clearly no abduction anywhere else, (bar aliens it would seem). Miraculously the girl was plonked into that area, murdered, and her killer exited by the same means of transport, a real beam me up Scotty kind of killing.

Mitchell had a strong alibi, he was absolutely at home and nowhere else. Because, whilst it is unfathomable to have him as a killer, that child, the wee boy. It is completely fathomable to have every kind of far out scenario of any other killer, everything else fits from whatever other planet, just not Mitchell.
All the points you mention are dealt with in Dr Lean and Scott Forbes books as you no doubt know Parky.
Obviously you dont agree with them.
I dont think Dr Lean or Scott Forbes rule out the possibility of a serial killer visiting the area,although we know who their preffered suspect is.
Wont you at least entertain the possibility that an unknown killer visited the area Parky? What makes you so sure of Mitchells guilt with such little firm evidence?
What I think may have happened is the killer escaped leaving little trace.Vanished into thin air you may say.And because of this the police believed that Luke Mitchell had to be the killer and convinced Jodi's family that this was indeed the case.
Therefore when the timings of all the witnesses were put together and they saw that it was doubtful that Luke had the time to carry out the murder they convinced themselves that some of the witnesses got their timings slightly wrong.After all,this had to be the case if Mitchell was guilty,and when the witnesses were told by the police that there was no doubt of this, they were more than happy to alter their statements in order to snare the evil little so and so.Who wouldn't?
This included saying that Luke went straight over the V break.
Now no one is suggesting anyone altered their statement  for any other reason than making sure an evil killer was locked away,and the police probably believe they got the right man too.
But did they?
I will always have doubt of his guilt unless he makes a confession or conclusive evidence turns up.
Who knows maybe the real killer will confess some day!
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« Reply #160 on: December 27, 2023, 10:49:AM »
All the points you mention are dealt with in Dr Lean and Scott Forbes books as you no doubt know Parky.
Obviously you dont agree with them.
I dont think Dr Lean or Scott Forbes rule out the possibility of a serial killer visiting the area,although we know who their preffered suspect is.
Wont you at least entertain the possibility that an unknown killer visited the area Parky? What makes you so sure of Mitchells guilt with such little firm evidence?
What I think may have happened is the killer escaped leaving little trace.Vanished into thin air you may say.And because of this the police believed that Luke Mitchell had to be the killer and convinced Jodi's family that this was indeed the case.
Therefore when the timings of all the witnesses were put together and they saw that it was doubtful that Luke had the time to carry out the murder they convinced themselves that some of the witnesses got their timings slightly wrong.After all,this had to be the case if Mitchell was guilty,and when the witnesses were told by the police that there was no doubt of this, they were more than happy to alter their statements in order to snare the evil little so and so.Who wouldn't?
This included saying that Luke went straight over the V break.
Now no one is suggesting anyone altered their statement  for any other reason than making sure an evil killer was locked away,and the police probably believe they got the right man too.
But did they?
I will always have doubt of his guilt unless he makes a confession or conclusive evidence turns up.
Who knows maybe the real killer will confess some day!

Many are not caught for the crimes they carry out because there is insufficient evidence. Does not mean that a suspect is not the offender. You are leaning entirely towards Mitchell not being the killer, basing this upon sufficiency of evidence. Not an easy case by any means obtaining that guilty verdict. My posts as I have pointed out, are of highlighting realistic reason as to why he because suspect in her murder. Not some utter nonsense of a policeman writing something down wrong, not because they just needed to get someone, and not this massive conspiracy nonsense in place just now.

I have always said, that had the evidence not been enough to produce that guilty verdict, then the police would not have been looking for a substitute. Or had there not been enough evidence for the Crown to take the case on, equally an alternate killer would not have been sought.

You keep saying about some killer swooning in on the area and swooning back out again, you offer absolutely nothing with any rationale as to how they did this? Let us just place absolute realism around the area here.

The attack began and ended (forensic evidence) within the bottom area of that woodland strip, an area off the beaten track, not somewhere used as a walk way anywhere. If formed no part of any trails. We could actually apply this to the whole strip. There was a man made break in the wall, the V break. Which was used by locals as a short cut, or youngsters to play in it. Who knows really. But nothing anyone from out the area would know about.

Some rationale and realism here. The girl had been banned from using the path alone, we hear of the bottom half especially, and we can see why. It works further away from houses/school and becomes enclosed. This is where the V break is, under that canopy we hear of in the transcripts. May she have decided to walk this? When there is no evidence of her doing so ever, not even from Mitchell, until that evening he claimed she was to be walking to his. A girl we are told who had a level head, no phone, why on earth would she have been wandering in the woodland alone, completely secluded area, when already aware of risk, the ban on the path, due to areas that were secluded? Once you have battled through that, where are you placing your opportunist? Surely not hanging about in that area off the beaten track, not used as a walk way, be waiting until the cows come home on some youngster wandering into there for no reason? Can't have gotten her over that V break, seriously? Jump over there will you, I have a knife, she obliges, does she just wait there for them getting over? of course bloody not. Can't have been the break off the lane? Again no evidence of any altercation, next to a house, near to the school, a 5 min walk to where the attack commenced, how the hell did he magic her down there?

The stocky man where there were no confirmed sightings, positive ID's made of the girl, walking along that road around 5pm on the day she died. But c'mon. As above, walking into secluded areas with someone on her tail, what a crock of s**t.

And you are entering into conspiracy when talking of altering statements etc - Taken from the pages of books, when we see now that this did not take place in anyway important. No one ever agreed with Mitchells line of events on that path, and JaJ's saying he was not in hysterics fits in exactly with how everyone else had him, including himself!

 
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« Reply #161 on: December 27, 2023, 12:24:PM »
Many are not caught for the crimes they carry out because there is insufficient evidence. Does not mean that a suspect is not the offender. You are leaning entirely towards Mitchell not being the killer, basing this upon sufficiency of evidence. Not an easy case by any means obtaining that guilty verdict. My posts as I have pointed out, are of highlighting realistic reason as to why he because suspect in her murder. Not some utter nonsense of a policeman writing something down wrong, not because they just needed to get someone, and not this massive conspiracy nonsense in place just now.

I have always said, that had the evidence not been enough to produce that guilty verdict, then the police would not have been looking for a substitute. Or had there not been enough evidence for the Crown to take the case on, equally an alternate killer would not have been sought.

You keep saying about some killer swooning in on the area and swooning back out again, you offer absolutely nothing with any rationale as to how they did this? Let us just place absolute realism around the area here.

The attack began and ended (forensic evidence) within the bottom area of that woodland strip, an area off the beaten track, not somewhere used as a walk way anywhere. If formed no part of any trails. We could actually apply this to the whole strip. There was a man made break in the wall, the V break. Which was used by locals as a short cut, or youngsters to play in it. Who knows really. But nothing anyone from out the area would know about.

Some rationale and realism here. The girl had been banned from using the path alone, we hear of the bottom half especially, and we can see why. It works further away from houses/school and becomes enclosed. This is where the V break is, under that canopy we hear of in the transcripts. May she have decided to walk this? When there is no evidence of her doing so ever, not even from Mitchell, until that evening he claimed she was to be walking to his. A girl we are told who had a level head, no phone, why on earth would she have been wandering in the woodland alone, completely secluded area, when already aware of risk, the ban on the path, due to areas that were secluded? Once you have battled through that, where are you placing your opportunist? Surely not hanging about in that area off the beaten track, not used as a walk way, be waiting until the cows come home on some youngster wandering into there for no reason? Can't have gotten her over that V break, seriously? Jump over there will you, I have a knife, she obliges, does she just wait there for them getting over? of course bloody not. Can't have been the break off the lane? Again no evidence of any altercation, next to a house, near to the school, a 5 min walk to where the attack commenced, how the hell did he magic her down there?

The stocky man where there were no confirmed sightings, positive ID's made of the girl, walking along that road around 5pm on the day she died. But c'mon. As above, walking into secluded areas with someone on her tail, what a crock of s**t.

And you are entering into conspiracy when talking of altering statements etc - Taken from the pages of books, when we see now that this did not take place in anyway important. No one ever agreed with Mitchells line of events on that path, and JaJ's saying he was not in hysterics fits in exactly with how everyone else had him, including himself!
OK,pretty sensible answer Parky.
Well,lets say that the visiting serial killer is unlikely,but by no means impossible,what do you think of Scott Forbes theory of stocky man? Do you rule out his explaination too?

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« Reply #162 on: December 27, 2023, 12:28:PM »
All the points you mention are dealt with in Dr Lean and Scott Forbes books as you no doubt know Parky.
Obviously you dont agree with them.
I dont think Dr Lean or Scott Forbes rule out the possibility of a serial killer visiting the area,although we know who their preffered suspect is.
Wont you at least entertain the possibility that an unknown killer visited the area Parky? What makes you so sure of Mitchells guilt with such little firm evidence?
What I think may have happened is the killer escaped leaving little trace.Vanished into thin air you may say.And because of this the police believed that Luke Mitchell had to be the killer and convinced Jodi's family that this was indeed the case.
Therefore when the timings of all the witnesses were put together and they saw that it was doubtful that Luke had the time to carry out the murder they convinced themselves that some of the witnesses got their timings slightly wrong.After all,this had to be the case if Mitchell was guilty,and when the witnesses were told by the police that there was no doubt of this, they were more than happy to alter their statements in order to snare the evil little so and so.Who wouldn't?
This included saying that Luke went straight over the V break.
Now no one is suggesting anyone altered their statement  for any other reason than making sure an evil killer was locked away,and the police probably believe they got the right man too.
But did they?
I will always have doubt of his guilt unless he makes a confession or conclusive evidence turns up.
Who knows maybe the real killer will confess some day!
The V-break in the wall is interesting. The serial killer has scouted the Roan's Dyke Path on a previous occasion and decided upon this location to dump the body. So Luke is coming from the Newbattle end and Jodi sets off from her house to the Easthouses side. The serial killer is hanging around waiting for Jodi, whom he has been stalking for several days, strikes up a conversation with her and entices her down the path to the V-break. He then has to persuade her to climb over the wall or attacks her on the path and throws her body over the wall before committing the mutilations.

Meanwhile Luke does nothing. Jodi hasn't appeared for the date. Luke makes no contact with her family. He whiles away the hours.

I'm sorry, but the scenario just won't wash.

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« Reply #163 on: December 27, 2023, 12:40:PM »
The V-break in the wall is interesting. The serial killer has scouted the Roan's Dyke Path on a previous occasion and decided upon this location to dump the body. So Luke is coming from the Newbattle end and Jodi sets off from her house to the Easthouses side. The serial killer is hanging around waiting for Jodi, whom he has been stalking for several days, strikes up a conversation with her and entices her down the path to the V-break. He then has to persuade her to climb over the wall or attacks her on the path and throws her body over the wall before committing the mutilations.

Meanwhile Luke does nothing. Jodi hasn't appeared for the date. Luke makes no contact with her family. He whiles away the hours.

I'm sorry, but the scenario just won't wash.
So you have Luke and Jodi meeting at the Easthouses end, then walking two thirds of the way back along the path in full view before going through the v Steve?

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« Reply #164 on: December 27, 2023, 01:19:PM »
You see,putting the time of death at 5.15 means that Luke and Jodi must have walked along the path and climbed through the v just before the moped boys and Leonard Kelly arrived on the path.
And if Luke knew who owned the moped,then he also knew that they used the v break to access their hut,so why would he risk killing Jodi a few meters from the V when he knew the moped boys could climb through it at any moment?
And how did LM get to the Easthouses end of the path,did he stick to the woodland strip to avoid meeting anyone? Little sense in that really when he emerged at the Easthouses end in full view and then walked back to the V with Jodi in full view.

The Crown case doesn't seem very credible for a killer who wants to avoid being seen and accociated with the crime.