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Offline David1819

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Re: Luke's Address
« Reply #90 on: December 07, 2023, 08:47:PM »
Hi Dave,hope your well.
What do you think? Was Luke on his way home when F/W saw him,or had he already been home and made his way back?
Confusing,isn't it?

Witness timings are often approximates based on memory. The text messages and computer data are more reliable.

4:35pm - Jodi texts Luke

4:36pm - Luke texts Jodi back

4:50pm - Jodi leaves her house. Telling her mum she is going to see Luke.

4.53pm - 5.16pm  - Lukes brother accesses porn on the internet.

5:05pm - 5:20pm - Cyclist hears a "a strangling sort of sound" in the place where her body is later found.

5:40pm - Luke calls Jodi's house asking where she is.


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Re: Luke's Address
« Reply #91 on: December 07, 2023, 08:57:PM »
Witness timings are often approximates based on memory. The text messages and computer data are more reliable.

4:35pm - Jodi texts Luke

4:36pm - Luke texts Jodi back

4:50pm - Jodi leaves her house. Telling her mum she is going to see Luke.

4.53pm - 5.16pm  - Lukes brother accesses porn on the internet.

5:05pm - 5:20pm - Cyclist hears a "a strangling sort of sound" in the place where her body is later found.

5:40pm - Luke calls Jodi's house asking where she is.

Ok,thanks Dave.So where was Luke at 5.40 do you think?

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Re: Luke's Address
« Reply #92 on: December 07, 2023, 09:02:PM »
Ok,thanks Dave.So where was Luke at 5.40 do you think?

Not far from the crime scene.

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Re: Luke's Address
« Reply #93 on: December 07, 2023, 09:04:PM »
Not far from the crime scene.
Thanks Dave.So F/W must have seen Luke on his way back home then?

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Re: Luke's Address
« Reply #94 on: December 07, 2023, 09:24:PM »
Thanks Dave.So F/W must have seen Luke on his way back home then?

Luke was seen returning home at 10pm

"The appellant was seen returning home from the area of Newbattle Road at around 2200 on the night of the murder."

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7

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Re: Luke's Address
« Reply #95 on: December 07, 2023, 09:27:PM »
Witness timings are often approximates based on memory. The text messages and computer data are more reliable.

4:35pm - Jodi texts Luke

4:36pm - Luke texts Jodi back

4:50pm - Jodi leaves her house. Telling her mum she is going to see Luke.

4.53pm - 5.16pm  - Lukes brother accesses porn on the internet.

5:05pm - 5:20pm - Cyclist hears a "a strangling sort of sound" in the place where her body is later found.

5:40pm - Luke calls Jodi's house asking where she is.



the police recondtruction iddeo clearly shows jodi lrgt at 5pm

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Re: Luke's Address
« Reply #96 on: December 07, 2023, 09:57:PM »

the police recondtruction iddeo clearly shows jodi lrgt at 5pm
Well,all the times had to be changed to fit in with a guilty Luke I suppose nugnug.

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Re: Luke's Address
« Reply #97 on: December 07, 2023, 10:08:PM »
Luke was seen returning home at 10pm

"The appellant was seen returning home from the area of Newbattle Road at around 2200 on the night of the murder."

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
Thanks Dave,I think I have read that before.
So,the whole case hinges on the sightings of Luke at both ends of the path,the jury were basically told that if they believed the witnesses saw Luke at each end then it was enough to convict him.
Is that right Dave? Among other things like his dodgy alibi,phoning the speaking clock,burning evidence and getting rid of the knife around 10.00 o'clock.

So,no detailed scenario whatsoever? Is that good enough Dave? Not for me.

And why did Luke make sure that someone saw him at the Newbattle end of the path Dave?
Why didn't he just sneak home through the woods unseen? None of it makes sense,does it?

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Re: Luke's Address
« Reply #98 on: December 07, 2023, 10:40:PM »
Oh yes,Luke going straight to the murder scene of course!

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« Reply #99 on: December 07, 2023, 10:50:PM »
From LM's side - That he was on the wall at the entrance of his estate by 17:32pm, whilst omitting the calls at first, this is where he said he made them from. Told at 17:38pm she had already left to meet him. He at one point said he walked to the cottages and no further, checking to see if she were in sight. We know this is true, that he was at the cottages touching 6pm. The girl from his story had been away from home over 20mins in what is a 17min walk approx.

That when he called his mother it was from Newbattle road, leaving then to go into the Abbey to meet with the boys. So, this is another hr approx of real time he claimed to be waiting around in one spot for the girl. Around 80mins on Newbattle road, with sightings of where he claimed to be, only being between two times, just short of 6pm until around 6:20pm approx.

Now his claim was that dinner was over early, he was walking out to meet with her but not going very far at all. The girl had never walked to his alone, this was to have been the first time. She had never before failed to turn up for a meeting between them, again this was to have been the first time. There was a ban in place from using the path alone due to the risk involved, its isolation. Therefore by the time of calling his mother, it had been a good 80mins from being told she had already left. We know he called the boys back chasing them up. But nothing back to the girl whom for the first time ever failed to keep to their arrangement.

There had clearly been an arrangement made most days from school to meet in the evening, nothing from phone logs to show anything to the contrary. Again this day was different, whatever plans had been made at school were changed. The girls curfew time had been lifted, and we see it was actually Jodi who's time had been restricted until 6pm. That change came after school that day, and as stated, she made contact with LM, reason for contact around that change? Bringing their meeting time forward, leaving home shortly after the last text to meet with him.

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« Reply #100 on: December 07, 2023, 11:08:PM »
From LM's side - That he was on the wall at the entrance of his estate by 17:32pm, whilst omitting the calls at first, this is where he said he made them from. Told at 17:38pm she had already left to meet him. He at one point said he walked to the cottages and no further, checking to see if she were in sight. We know this is true, that he was at the cottages touching 6pm. The girl from his story had been away from home over 20mins in what is a 17min walk approx.

That when he called his mother it was from Newbattle road, leaving then to go into the Abbey to meet with the boys. So, this is another hr approx of real time he claimed to be waiting around in one spot for the girl. Around 80mins on Newbattle road, with sightings of where he claimed to be, only being between two times, just short of 6pm until around 6:20pm approx.

Now his claim was that dinner was over early, he was walking out to meet with her but not going very far at all. The girl had never walked to his alone, this was to have been the first time. She had never before failed to turn up for a meeting between them, again this was to have been the first time. There was a ban in place from using the path alone due to the risk involved, its isolation. Therefore by the time of calling his mother, it had been a good 80mins from being told she had already left. We know he called the boys back chasing them up. But nothing back to the girl whom for the first time ever failed to keep to their arrangement.

There had clearly been an arrangement made most days from school to meet in the evening, nothing from phone logs to show anything to the contrary. Again this day was different, whatever plans had been made at school were changed. The girls curfew time had been lifted, and we see it was actually Jodi who's time had been restricted until 6pm. That change came after school that day, and as stated, she made contact with LM, reason for contact around that change? Bringing their meeting time forward, leaving home shortly after the last text to meet with him.
Yes Parky,you put your points over well.
But like Dave or any other person who thinks Luke Mitchell is guilty,unless you can give me a complete scenario/timeframe of events,I must continue to have doubt of LMs guilt.


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Re: Luke's Address
« Reply #101 on: December 07, 2023, 11:10:PM »
Thanks Dave,I think I have read that before.
So,the whole case hinges on the sightings of Luke at both ends of the path,the jury were basically told that if they believed the witnesses saw Luke at each end then it was enough to convict him.
Is that right Dave? Among other things like his dodgy alibi,phoning the speaking clock,burning evidence and getting rid of the knife around 10.00 o'clock.

So,no detailed scenario whatsoever? Is that good enough Dave? Not for me.

And why did Luke make sure that someone saw him at the Newbattle end of the path Dave?
Why didn't he just sneak home through the woods unseen? None of it makes sense,does it?

It's not just that. He denied the fire in the garden then later admitted to the fire. The jacket he was wearing that day was never found. Inference being him and his mum burned it in the fire. Then his knife went missing but the pouch was found with Jodie's initials and date of death carved into in. The victim said she was going to meet Luke before she was killed.




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Re: Luke's Address
« Reply #102 on: December 07, 2023, 11:16:PM »
Yes Parky,you put your points over well.
But like Dave or any other person who thinks Luke Mitchell is guilty,unless you can give me a complete scenario/timeframe of events,I must continue to have doubt of LMs guilt.

Until you give me a complete timeframe and scenario for all 36 dead bodies found in John Wayne Gacys basement. I must continue to have doubt of John Wayne Gacys guilt.  :))

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Re: Luke's Address
« Reply #103 on: December 07, 2023, 11:28:PM »
Well,all the times had to be changed to fit in with a guilty Luke I suppose nugnug.

i dont think they woul of done a reconstruction ideo giing the time as 5pm if it wasnt 5pm it kind of eafeats the object of doing one

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Re: Luke's Address
« Reply #104 on: December 07, 2023, 11:41:PM »
Until you give me a complete timeframe and scenario for all 36 dead bodies found in John Wayne Gacys basement. I must continue to have doubt of John Wayne Gacys guilt.  :))
Yes,fair enough Dave,I get your point.
But the thing is the Mitchell case is tied together by different times, witnesses and events that have to be explained.And it simply isn't easy to link them all together with a guilty scenario.
When does LM get home?When is the parka burned? How could he get home without walking up Newbattle road while wearing the parka? Nothing can be fitted together very easy.He just didn't seem to have the time available.At least Bamber has an obvious window of opportunity,but Mitchell? I just cant see it Dave,I just cant see it.Can you?