Confirmation June's bike was stolen.

[Bubo bubo]

Do you believe Mary Mugford's court testimony?

Which bit

[Adam]

You see the problem is Adam - I can’t see any reference to the sea wall in her statement, she speaks about a route via the back road and she talks about an unspecified route that might take 15 mins, but no mention of the sea wall.
In court she wasn’t testifying that Jeremy had said he’d done it - so why would she say he’d used the sea wall?

Of course I must be mistaken because you wouldn’t have just lied! So please show me where I missed it by quoting the words she used and when.

Her WS says he planned to cycle and do a trial run. He believed it would take 15 minutes. It does not mention the sea wall. Why should it?

Her court testimony is that he planned to cycle the Sea Wall 

[Adam]

Which bit

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8345.msg418700.html#msg418700

Reply 1.

[Adam]

You see the problem is Adam - I can’t see any reference to the sea wall in her statement, she speaks about a route via the back road and she talks about an unspecified route that might take 15 mins, but no mention of the sea wall.
In court she wasn’t testifying that Jeremy had said he’d done it - so why would she say he’d used the sea wall?

Of course I must be mistaken because you wouldn’t have just lied! So please show me where I missed it by quoting the words she used and when.

How would you have travelled?

Walk, drive, cycle along Maldon Road, cycle the Sea Wall?

[Kestrel19]

How would you have travelled?

Walk, drive, cycle along Maldon Road, cycle the Sea Wall?

Your words Adam - “Julie testified he used the sea wall”
As in - he HAD travelled via the sea wall, not planned, not thought about - but actually did!

Do you stand by that?

[ILB]

How would you have travelled?

Walk, drive, cycle along Maldon Road, cycle the Sea Wall?

He was " sleeping like a log "

[Adam]

He was " sleeping like a log "

I was asking Snow66!

You & Rob have already said how you would travel.

[snow66!]

I was asking Snow66!

You & Rob have already said how you would travel.

I really dont know Adam,if Bamber is guilty it was a truly remarkable feat,extraordinary.
Try reading QCs Occams Razor thread.That may give you a different perspective on the case.

[Kestrel19]

I’m still waiting on Adam telling us if he stands by his assertion that Julie said Bamber “Used” the Sea Wall route, maybe he’s flicking through Wilkes’ book to find the quote.

[snow66!]

I’m still waiting on Adam telling us if he stands by his assertion that Julie said Bamber “Used” the Sea Wall route, maybe he’s flicking through Wilkes’ book to find the quote.

Well,Julie had Bamber using a bike himself,but she also had Bamber using a hitman.
Obviously the police were covering all bases when Julie gave her first statement accusing Bamber.
JB and Brett were being questioned around the same time,and Brett I imagine was quite convincing and sincere when he claimed that JB didn't have the guts to shoot his family himself,this would have troubled the police who no doubt prompted Julie to the possibility of a hitman just incase they decided to pursue that line of enquiry,then any hitman could then be linked to JB.
In other words at that stage they had a statement from Julie which could cover two possibilities,Bamber as the killer or Bamber who hired a hitman.Very clever really.

They didn't have the guts to include the silencer evidence in Julies statement at this stage because the results probably weren't back or were inconclusive,hence if Julie did claim that JB told her about returning the silencer to the cupboard and then the silencer evidence was debunked,the whole of Julie's evidence would be seen as pure lies and fiction.Trouble is,it has been pointed out by members that JB would have had no reason to withhold the details of the silencer from Julie,not if he told her every other detail.
No,to be quite honest,I tend to believe and trust Brett when he says JB didn't have it in him to pull the trigger himself,a man in his twenties who regularly dyes his hair quite obviously has effeminate traits to say the least.
To be quite honest,both JBs and Bretts statements have a ring of truth,where as Julie's and the relative's sound like something out of fairyland with Julie giving an open ended statement comprising mostly of RWBs scenarios,including bikes,windows and hitmen.

Occams Razor?

[Kestrel19]

The other challenge of course with Julie saying in court about the sea wall route is that in the October Wilkinson had checked all the possible routes, it’s clear from his statement that they weren’t certain which one would have been used, Julie had already given her statement and Matthew had already been cleared (otherwise why test the routes?) therefore wouldn’t the simplest thing have been to ask Julie which route was planned and been able to say for sure.
Instead Julie just says it’ll take 15 minutes, the police try various routes to find one that’ll take 15 mins, and according to Adam it magically turns out in court that Julie knew all along…

For that reason I would be very interested to see the testimony that Adams read… I’m sure there’s someone on here that keeps asking for sources to be provided - maybe he could tell us…

[Bubo bubo]

The other challenge of course with Julie saying in court about the sea wall route is that in the October Wilkinson had checked all the possible routes, it’s clear from his statement that they weren’t certain which one would have been used, Julie had already given her statement and Matthew had already been cleared (otherwise why test the routes?) therefore wouldn’t the simplest thing have been to ask Julie which route was planned and been able to say for sure.
Instead Julie just says it’ll take 15 minutes, the police try various routes to find one that’ll take 15 mins, and according to Adam it magically turns out in court that Julie knew all along…

For that reason I would be very interested to see the testimony that Adams read… I’m sure there’s someone on here that keeps asking for sources to be provided - maybe he could tell us…

For me the silencer being dismantled by RWC and no flake being found is also telling. I believe my exposing Bird's finds and producing two statements on the same day dismantles the silencer evidence. RWC dismantled AP's silencer (21/08) before JM came forward. I believe the TFG or the crime re-stagers used his SM and RWC wanted to be sure that nothing turned up to drop themselves in the shit. Why dismantle it before sending it to the lab. Surely to keep the chain of custody and the exhibit clean forensically means he should have sent it 'cold' with no intervention.

Of course if the whole truth is exposed all cases with question marks against them prosecuted by EP will be under scrutiny and all cases involving PV will be called in to question.

[Bubo bubo]

For me the silencer being dismantled by RWC and no flake being found is also telling. I believe my exposing Bird's finds and producing two statements on the same day dismantles the silencer evidence. RWC dismantled AP's silencer (21/08) before JM came forward. I believe the TFG or the crime re-stagers used his SM and RWC wanted to be sure that nothing turned up to drop themselves in the shit. Why dismantle it before sending it to the lab. Surely to keep the chain of custody and the exhibit clean forensically means he should have sent it 'cold' with no intervention.

Of course if the whole truth is exposed all cases with question marks against them prosecuted by EP will be under scrutiny and all cases involving PV will be called in to question.

Ainsley made a big mistake when he took control. He did not realise that Taff had kept all the coverup finds under Birds name but in his rush to frame JB all finds were sent to the lab DB1 - DB7 and the finding by Bird (DB1) and the fire debris (DB2) scream coverup.

[Adam]

Well,Julie had Bamber using a bike himself,but she also had Bamber using a hitman.
Obviously the police were covering all bases when Julie gave her first statement accusing Bamber.
JB and Brett were being questioned around the same time,and Brett I imagine was quite convincing and sincere when he claimed that JB didn't have the guts to shoot his family himself,this would have troubled the police who no doubt prompted Julie to the possibility of a hitman just incase they decided to pursue that line of enquiry,then any hitman could then be linked to JB.
In other words at that stage they had a statement from Julie which could cover two possibilities,Bamber as the killer or Bamber who hired a hitman.Very clever really.

They didn't have the guts to include the silencer evidence in Julies statement at this stage because the results probably weren't back or were inconclusive,hence if Julie did claim that JB told her about returning the silencer to the cupboard and then the silencer evidence was debunked,the whole of Julie's evidence would be seen as pure lies and fiction.Trouble is,it has been pointed out by members that JB would have had no reason to withhold the details of the silencer from Julie,not if he told her every other detail.
No,to be quite honest,I tend to believe and trust Brett when he says JB didn't have it in him to pull the trigger himself,a man in his twenties who regularly dyes his hair quite obviously has effeminate traits to say the least.
To be quite honest,both JBs and Bretts statements have a ring of truth,where as Julie's and the relative's sound like something out of fairyland with Julie giving an open ended statement comprising mostly of RWBs scenarios,including bikes,windows and hitmen.

Occams Razor?

Why would Bamber mention a silencer to Julie? He used it then put it away.

Nevill resisting and putting a bible on Sheila would be bigger things to divulge.

He couldn't go into too much detail as he was in bed while MM was at WHF!

[Adam]

Do you believe Mary Mugford's court testimony?

Hopefully BuboBubo answers.

I have given the statement to him. Yesterday and previously.