Confirmation June's bike was stolen.

[Adam]

Would call Bamber an 'intermediate' cyclist.

Not a beguinner but not advanced or a pro. 

The table in my source says 16 minutes for an intermediate.

Here to help.

[Adam]

Wilkinson cycled 9 minutes slower than a beguinner!

[Adam]

If Bamber did cycle at an advanced cyclist speed, which is sustainable over 4.2 miles, he manages 11 minutes.

Wow.

[Adam]

So perfectly believable he told Julie he planned to cycle The Sea Wall and believed it would take 15 minutes.

But ILB will still disagree.

[ILB]

Well I would call Wilkinson 35 years of age in 1985 and Bamber 24 years old in 1985.

A little over a decade between them.

Both fit, the former a serving  police officer tasked with doing a cycle journey. The latter only 24 and who worked long hours in a farm. Believe Bamber used the gym quite often back then as well. I know from experience he was obsessed with the gym in prison.

No difference in times. We haven't had the benefit of bamber and Wilkinson doing a marathon and comparing who would come first. Can't speak for individual fitness in terms of who was fitter than who

In any event. Again we will just have to agree to disagree

[Adam]

Well I would call Wilkinson 35 years of age in 1985 and Bamber 24 years old in 1985.

A little over a decade between them.

Both fit, the former a serving  police officer tasked with doing a cycle journey. The latter only 24 and who worked long hours in a farm. Believe Bamber used the gym quite often back then as well. I know from experience he was obsessed with the gym in prison.

In any event. Again we will just have to agree to disagree

Need to see sources on Wilkinsons age & physical fitness.

Otherwise will consider him another Bews.

He said he was chosen as he knew the area a bit.

[Adam]

The OS complain Wilkinson was a different size and age to Bamber. To me that means - unfit.

Either way 4.2 miles was cycled at barely over fast walk pace by him.

[ILB]

The OS complain Wilkinson was a different size and age to Bamber. To me that means - unfit.

Either way 4.2 miles was cycled at barely over fast walk pace by him.

I have seen what the OS says

To be honest Bambers claim is that he never made a journey in the first place. So really there should be no complaint only denial !

[ILB]

Need to see sources on Wilkinsons age & physical fitness.

Otherwise will consider him another Bews.

He said he was chosen as he knew the area a bit.

You have seen footage of Bews from 2011 in the MWT programme. And in the Louie theroux documentary.

People get older, and fatter. He might have been a picture of health in 1985.

[Adam]

You have seen footage of Bews from 2011 in the MWT programme. And in the Louie theroux documentary.

People get older, and fatter. He might have been a picture of health in 1985.

Do you agree Bamber would think he could cycle The Sea Wall route in 15 minutes?

Julie's WS & court testimony says this.

[ILB]

Do you agree Bamber would think he could cycle The Sea Wall route in 15 minutes?

Julie's WS & court testimony says this.

There and back ?

[snow66!]

The OS complain Wilkinson was a different size and age to Bamber. To me that means - unfit.

Either way 4.2 miles was cycled at barely over fast walk pace by him.

Adam,the whole point of timing the routes was to see how FAST they could be cycled.

The prosecution were desperate to prove Bamber phoned the police from WHF then from his cottage ten minutes later. Wilkinson would have been under orders to do the routes as fast as he possibly could.

Why else do you think they timed the routes? All the prosecution had to do was simply claim that Bamber used the bike and leave it at that. But then you know this,dont you Adam?

[Adam]

Adam,the whole point of timing the routes was to see how FAST they could be cycled.

The prosecution were desperate to prove Bamber phoned the police from WHF then from his cottage ten minutes later. Wilkinson would have been under orders to do the routes as fast as he possibly could.

Why else do you think they timed the routes? All the prosecution had to do was simply claim that Bamber used the bike and leave it at that. But then you know this,dont you Adam?

The prosecution case was to confirm the routes terrain and distance. Together on whether it passed any properties.

There case is he phoned Julie at 3am & the police at 3.26am. So time was not a big issue as Bamber did not believe it so. 

[snow66!]

And as for stealing the bike,this would have been very risky.Just suppose June noticed it was missing and told someone outside the family,a farm worker for example who then tells other farm workers.

In this case they would be witnesses that the bike was taken without Junes knowledge,then the games up for Bamber,proving that he stole the bike to use in the murders.
How could Bamber know who June had told about the bike being missing?
But,no one told the police that June was looking for her bike in the days leading up to the murders,so this means she either did not notice it had gone or Bamber did indeed ask for a loan of it for Julie to use.

[snow66!]

In Robert Boutflours notes he makes up a scenario in which Bamber uses Junes bike,the entry is dated 11Aug,he says'bike at Bambers cottage,when did it arrive?.

So,RB knows by the 11th Aug that Junes bike is at JBs cottage,yet AE is looking for Junes bike at the WHF on 15th Aug.

Will have to check all AE and RBs evidence regarding the bike too.
Although the quote that AE was looking for the bike comes from 'Wilkes' book,so will be cautios.