Yes, anyway, we know two bodies were not found in the kitchen, it was Nevills body mistaken as a female, as is documented in the firearms units statement.
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No, you are wrong, there were two bodies found downstairs in the kitchen when the police first entered - as evidenced and cross referenced by the contents of the police logs which only report the finding of three further bodies upstairs by 8:10am...
It is this part of the conspiracy where the police made a pigs ear of it, by failing to alter the references to the number of bodies that would have been found upstairs, if there had been some sort of a mix up downstiars involving only one body...
The police put together a cover story to try and account for Sheila's body not originally being found downstairs, but overlooked the importance of establishing that there should have been four bodies found upstairs, instead of only three...
Furthermore...
If Ralph was sat on that chair behind that internal kitchen door, nobody would have been able to see his body there because of the acuteness of the angle to mistakenly identify it as a dead female, I know this to be true because I have been to the window and looked through and the angle is too acute...
To settle this matter once and for all...
Go to WHF, position one of the wooden chairs behind the door in question and sit someone in it. The go out side and take a photograph to prove what can be seen?
Whilst your at it, get somebody to stand outside the kitchen window, whilst somebody who is sat in that chair behind the door takes a photograph showing the angle and view, looking back in the direction of the said kitchen window...
Do it, and prove to me that you are right and I am wrong...
I think you are wrong, doesn't matter how many times you or I repeat ourselves, in order your theory to be correct, not only do we have to discount the various police officers statements, but we also have place Nevill right in the corner, despite the fact he was found in front of the aga. We can go further amd say if Shiela was in the kitchen, then we are missing a bullet case, so you need to introduce another weapon, an air rifle this time, but there's no record of any of Shielas blood and the blood stain patterns do not match her walking through a house full of police officers unseen.
It is much more likely that on their open mic radio sysyem, Collins called one dead female seen through the window, then upon entry they find Ralph and call in one dead male, they then go upstairs and find four bodies, they call in five bodies in total, the information room mistakenly think that two bodies have already been found, wrongly note that a further three bodies are found upstairs instead of four.
I put it to you that my interpretation is a hundred times more plausable than yours.
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Police radio logs are evidence, and their contents are a true account that was recorded contemporaneously at the material time, police statements which were made weeks later, were not even made by some of the police officers whose names appear at the top of them, somebody at the CPS edited them, and then they got the police to sign them - I choose to believe and rely on the contemporaneously recorded details of the police logs, rather than the doctored witness statements which were made for the police officers, by CPS officials who were not at the scene...
If you want to believe that nonsense then that is up to you...
The door we are talking about is in the corner of the kitchen, and as was seen during the TV documentary (Killing Mum and dad) when the cameraman walked through that door into the kitchen, you could only just see a very small sliver of the kitchen window, insufficient enough to be able to see or identify anyone sat on a chair in that location from the vantage point of outside the kitchen window. Look at the shape of Ralph Bambers body, and the position of the overturned wooden chair that his frozen crumpled body lies atop, and the direction which his body is pointing, and then consider the way the door we are talking about opens into the kitchen? Anyone who wants to know the truth can plainly see that Ralph was sat on a chair behind that door and that someone behind that door on the other side, pushed and nudged the door open and that as they did so, they sent Ralph's body tumbling over in the direction it ended up in, falling as it were at the same angle the door pushed him over in?
Missing a bullet case?
One of the firearms officers made a witness statement that when he got into the kitchen, that the kitchen table was overturned etc...
OVERTURNED no less, yet two bullet cases were supposedly photographed and found atop that uprighted kitchen table by the time SOC started to take pictures at around 10am - now, who do you think up righted the kitchen table in the interim period, and who placed all the utensils and other bits and bats, including the two bullet cases on top of that up righted kitchen table?
Does not the fact that the OVERTURNED kitchen table as at the point of entry into the kitchen by the firearms team, which ended upright by the time PC Bird started to take his crime scene pictures, indicate in the strongest possible terms that police stage managed the scene in the kitchen before PC Bird started to take his pictures, and you mention that there is a missing bullet case? Well, if the police did stage manage the kitchen, which they most certainly did, they must have had a good reason for doing so, and if that reason was to cover up for the fact that they had originally found Sheila's body in the kitchen which they wrongly presumed to be dead, then obviously they are going to have to tamper with the evidence by redistributing bullet cases to try and make them fit the falsified scenario that they are trying to portray...
How do you and your supporters explain how the kitchen table could have been OVERTURNED at the time armed police entered the kitchen, and yet it be upright with things upon it, including two bullet cases by the time SOC photograph it at about 10am?
Another thing...
If no-one moved or touched anything until after PC Bird finished taking all his pictures in the kitchen, how did the armed police manage to get into the kitchen in the first place through the very same door behind which Ralph was sat on that chair, without toppling him over, if that other wooden chair was still in position as shown in PC Birds photograph? You and you supporters need to think up a good explanation to account for these very serious anomalies...
As for it being me, that needs to introduce the possible use of another weapon in the kitchen, look again at the fact that it was the police who substituted one of the two bullets that the pathologist removed from Sheila's neck during autopsy which he performed on 7th August 1985, when it (PV/20) was described as a fragmented bullet, but by the time it arrived at the lab' on 20th September 1985 to be examined by the ballistics expert, it had become transformed into a WHOLE bullet, which he was able to match and link to the rifle photographed on top of Sheila's body in the bedroom after 10 O'clock that morning?
This same rifle was at one point (before the firearms team actually entered the farmhouse) spotted to be leaning up against the bedroom window by WPC Julia Jeapes, and subsequently photographed at the bedroom window by PC Bird, from the vantage point of the middle landing of the main stairs - you and your supporters need to think up how, if there was only one weapon found in the main bedroom, how it got from the bedroom window at about 7:15am, onto Sheila's body by 10 AM, and back against the bedroom window at some point afterwards?
If Ralph's body was found in front of the aga, as you suggest, it could not very well have been described by PC Collins as being a female body behind the door, now could it?
None of the blood found in the kitchen was analyzed, so how can you say that none of Sheila's blood was found in the kitchen? You only have to look at the bloodied fingermarks on the edge of the kitchen worktop and ask yourself why did the police not find evidence to confirm who made those bloodied marks there, to realize that these could have been made by Sheila - if they were, how does this equate with the other suggestion that Sheila's hands were blood and injury free?
Then you suggest that it would not have been possible for Sheila to have walked around in the kitchen with all that blood on the floor, but over 30 police officers did just that, and there was no bloodied footprints or boot marks to indicate that so many of them and walked back and forth through the kitchen without leaving any trace that they had done so?
Your theory about the distribution of the bodies downstiars and upstairs, does not take into account, the contents of the officers report about the shooting incident in the kitchen? Where does that fit into your theory?
If you and me, went to court to argue the available evidence, I fancy my chances more than yours, lets put it that way, because fact is police stage managed the scene in the kitchen where the body of Sheila was originally found, as confirmed by the contents of the police logs - let us also not forget, that the cover story about PC Collins making a fundamental mistake in identifying Ralph's body for a dead female which was not rectified until he got into the kitchen, does not take into account that by 7:45am, police were not only talking about two bodies found in the kitchen upon entry, but one was a dead male, and the other was a dead female, and that one was a murder and the other a suicide?
Now is it your case, that Ralph was murdered, and he committed suicide?
I am puzzled how the police could even contemplate that Ralph had committed suicide in the kitchen, if there was no other weapon found there?
You and your supporters need to come up with some sort of an explanation for this, oh and so do the police?
Good luck...
Be aware that as a lie is introduced, it creates more and more problems...
