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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #45 on: April 26, 2023, 10:29:AM »
    If a British child were throwing stones at soldiers, that child would not be dragged off by heavily armed soldiers, Steve. If that did happen, on a regular basis as it does in Israel, it would not be tolerated. You obviously would tolerate it as can be reasonably inferred.
     Those soldiers are only there to protect the Zionist state and see the Palestinian inhabitants as the enemy. You will never see those same police brutally arrest or detain an Israeli Jewish person(child or otherwise). They act as back up when illegal "settlers" attack Palestinian Arabs and bulldoze their homes.
     How many Israeli Jews are are killed by Palestinians annually?
     How many Palestinians are killed by Israeli "Security Forces" annually?
     How many Israeli Jews are held in detention by Palestinians?
     How many Palestinians are held in detention by Israel?

     Answer those questions and the next two answer themselves

     Who are the oppressed?
     Who are the oppressors?

i dont know how an amed trianed soldier can say with a straght face that a kid with a stone is a threat to his life

but were are the adults you think somone be there to protect those kids

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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2023, 03:15:AM »
     An excellent timeline and brief summary of the short history of Israel and Zionism. For those unaware of Israel's history, it is a must read. So many of today's conflicts and troubles have their roots in this historical aberration called Israel and a lot of smoke/fog will suddenly clear. Well worth the time to read, it will be enlightening.

http://www.us-uk-interventions.org/Israel_and_Palestine.html

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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2023, 03:19:AM »
    And a more accurate appraisal of the human cost of Zionist theft and occupation than the horseshit that David claims;

https://pdf.defence.pk/threads/palestinian-genocide-5-100-000-palestinians-have-been-killed-since-1948.416222/

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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #48 on: July 08, 2023, 06:08:AM »
I don't know where you get your 5 million figure from gringo. A Pakistani website? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war

If you do start a war you do run the risk of being killed and losing territory, don't you..https://youtu.be/t5JbNNtNKLc

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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #49 on: July 08, 2023, 12:51:PM »
I don't know where you get your 5 million figure from gringo. A Pakistani website? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war

If you do start a war you do run the risk of being killed and losing territory, don't you..https://youtu.be/t5JbNNtNKLc
    It is stolen land. The 1948 "so called" invasion of Israel being just one example of the twisted victim mentality of the Zionist Jews. The Jews carried out many documented atrocities of Arabs in the 1948 Nakba. Ethnically cleansing huge areas and massacring the inhabitants.
    The foundational myth of Israel- "A land without people for a people without land", a huge lie, fittingly for a state built on lies. After the theft, destruction and slaughter of Arabs in 1948 by armed Jewish terror groups, such as Irgun, Stern gang et al.- to then call the retaliation by the Arabs to this slaughter and theft of their property and land, an invasion, is chutzpah of the highest order.
     It wasn't "a land without people". The whole idea of Zionism is nothing but lies and brutal occupation of stolen land. The invading Jews are all of European heritage, they have no connection to the land they stole in Palestine. Their time there is limited.

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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #50 on: September 12, 2023, 03:32:AM »
     Raised to hate. These are the "Zionist settlers" and scum that are tacitly condoned by supporters of the illegitimate Zionist state. Vile;

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1701277928095396233

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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #51 on: September 12, 2023, 05:04:PM »
     Raised to hate. These are the "Zionist settlers" and scum that are tacitly condoned by supporters of the illegitimate Zionist state. Vile;

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1701277928095396233
Any good at long division gringo? 16 million Jews in the world divided by 1.8 billion Muslims.

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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #52 on: September 12, 2023, 05:11:PM »
Any good at long division gringo? 16 million Jews in the world divided by 1.8 billion Muslims.
     It was Christians they were harassing. Zionism is the problem, Steve. It is a racist, hateful and supremacist ideology as was demonstrated in the footage. Mobs of children and teenage boys harassing and assaulting women whilst parents and elders just looked on. Not a single Muslim in the footage, why bring them up?

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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #53 on: September 12, 2023, 05:31:PM »
     It was Christians they were harassing. Zionism is the problem, Steve. It is a racist, hateful and supremacist ideology as was demonstrated in the footage. Mobs of children and teenage boys harassing and assaulting women whilst parents and elders just looked on. Not a single Muslim in the footage, why bring them up?
..because there are areas of the world where there are tensions. Remember this story? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/07/two-sisters-killed-and-mother-injured-in-west-bank-shooting


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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2023, 02:25:PM »
Who is the aggressor now..https://www.aol.co.uk/news/israel-declares-state-war-alert-062751487.html
    Israel are always the aggressors based on the simple fact that they are the brutal occupiers of stolen land. Any resistance against illegal occupation and Israeli brutality is legitimate. Remember that the occupiers can run home with their dual citizenships. The Palestinians have nowhere else to run to.

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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #56 on: October 07, 2023, 02:49:PM »
    Israel are always the aggressors based on the simple fact that they are the brutal occupiers of stolen land. Any resistance against illegal occupation and Israeli brutality is legitimate. Remember that the occupiers can run home with their dual citizenships. The Palestinians have nowhere else to run to.
Israel left the Gaza Strip in 2005. Do you think today's action will entice them into ceding more territory?

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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #57 on: October 07, 2023, 03:04:PM »
Israel left the Gaza Strip in 2005. Do you think today's action will entice them into ceding more territory?
    It may enforce rather than entice territorial changes. The idea that HB and Roch have been tossing around regarding Israel "allowing" the incursions in order to provoke the escalation has a lot of merit. I believe this to be the case also. I believe that the Israelis have also been well and truly caught off guard by the scale and scope of events. Have a read of MOA today for the background to the latest escalation. Good discussion below the line also;

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/palestine-strikes-back.html#more

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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #58 on: October 07, 2023, 03:17:PM »
    It may enforce rather than entice territorial changes. The idea that HB and Roch have been tossing around regarding Israel "allowing" the incursions in order to provoke the escalation has a lot of merit. I believe this to be the case also. I believe that the Israelis have also been well and truly caught off guard by the scale and scope of events. Have a read of MOA today for the background to the latest escalation. Good discussion below the line also;

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/palestine-strikes-back.html#more
Definitely something not right Gringo.

"We have no idea how this could have happened."

That is the reaction Israeli officials have been giving today when I ask them how, with all its vast resources, Israeli intelligence did not see this attack coming.

Dozens of armed Palestinian gunmen were able to cross the heavily fortified border between Israel and the Gaza Strip, while thousands of rockets were fired from Gaza into Israel.

With the combined efforts of Shin Bet, Israeli domestic intelligence, Mossad, its external spy agency and all the assets of the Israel Defense Forces, it is frankly astounding that nobody saw this coming.

Or if they did, they failed to act on it.

Israel has arguably the most extensive and well-funded intelligence services in the Middle East.


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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #59 on: October 07, 2023, 05:52:PM »
Definitely something not right Gringo.

"We have no idea how this could have happened."

That is the reaction Israeli officials have been giving today when I ask them how, with all its vast resources, Israeli intelligence did not see this attack coming.

Dozens of armed Palestinian gunmen were able to cross the heavily fortified border between Israel and the Gaza Strip, while thousands of rockets were fired from Gaza into Israel.

With the combined efforts of Shin Bet, Israeli domestic intelligence, Mossad, its external spy agency and all the assets of the Israel Defense Forces, it is frankly astounding that nobody saw this coming.

Or if they did, they failed to act on it.

Israel has arguably the most extensive and well-funded intelligence services in the Middle East.
    I agree, HB, which leaves us with a conundrum. If intelligence had indeed, "seen it coming", then why did they let it happen? It has long been apparent that "intelligence agencies" are not acting on behalf of their own government. In other words, they answer to and act on behalf of some other "authority". This is apparent from incidents such as the recent clashes in Syria between Pentagon and CIA funded "rebels"/terrorists. US Intel agencies fighting each other in their own "turf wars" in Syria :o
      It seems, to me at least, that we have found ourselves in a position where governments act at the behest of shadowy intelligence agencies rather than vice versa. We were warned of this great conspiracy by many notable statesmen including JFK. Whatever happened to him?
      He expressed that the we should, "splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds", then he got assassinated. Things have got much much worse since then.
     There are amongst the Zionists many zealots who believe in and work towards "end time prophecies". We unleashed a very dangerous beast in the aftermath of WW2. Israel should never have been recognised as a state and the Zionist terror gangs should have been dealt with as the murderous scum they were. It would be the equivalent of recognising ISIS as a legitimate state on territory they held via terror and genocide in the present. Something that western governments have actually been working towards.
      The inability and lack of agency of western publics to bring to being JFK's vision of, "splintering the CIA into a thousand pieces and to scatter it into the winds" has only delayed, rather than prevented, its demise. The "job" of splintering not just the CIA, but the many other bad actors and agents of finance and bankers, has been taken up with gusto by a wide alliance, all acting in co-ordination to finally destroy Imperialism.
      The Empire will not be striking back when all is over. Their ability to be able to do so is being dismantled and they have lost control of events.
     The big worry at the moment is who has control over the undeclared nuclear weapons of the Zionist terror state.