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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2023, 10:39:PM »
In Tankie fantasy world, only the United States and its allies can commit wrongdoing on its Muslim minority population.

The genocide of Muslims perpetrated by Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic, the violent crackdowns of Chechnyan independence movements by Russia and the imprisonment of 1.8 million Muslims in Xinjiang internment camps by the Chinese Communist Party are all of course entirely appropriate and justified.
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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2023, 11:12:PM »
In Tankie fantasy world, only the United States and its allies can commit wrongdoing on its Muslim minority population.

The genocide of Muslims perpetrated by Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic, the violent crackdowns of Chechnyan independence movements by Russia and the imprisonment of 1.8 million Muslims in Xinjiang internment camps by the Chinese Communist Party are all of course entirely appropriate and justified.
   Your understanding of the Chechen wars and aftermath is, as is usual with you, a biased misrepresentation. Take a look at Grozny now. Russia manages its multi ethnic and religious diversity much more successfully than the Zionist terror state.
    Your repeating of the Xinjiang propaganda only demonstrates your lack of any real knowledge(outside of Western msm lies) of the subject. How is it that you care about all of the subjects that you have been instructed to. You are concerned only with the crimes that your own criminal governments allege against other countries. The crimes committed in plain sight by your own government-you ignore.

https://journal-neo.org/2020/09/03/the-biggest-lie-about-chinas-xinjiang-internment-camps/
       
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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2023, 01:26:PM »
The whole article is the most anti-Semitic rant I've read for a long time. Since when did anyone take stones and firecrackers into a place of worship?
    Calling people anti-semitic is a card that has been so overplayed that it no longer has any shared meaning. Here is a "rant" that is way more "anti-Semitic" than anything I have written. The speaker compares the Israeli government to Nazis and says their policies of "Jewish supremacy" are like, "Mein Kampf in reverse".
     https://twitter.com/i/status/1644488388118970369
     How anti-semitic must Moshe Ya'alon, (checks notes) former Israeli Defence Minister be? :o

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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2023, 01:01:PM »
    Calling people anti-semitic is a card that has been so overplayed that it no longer has any shared meaning. Here is a "rant" that is way more "anti-Semitic" than anything I have written. The speaker compares the Israeli government to Nazis and says their policies of "Jewish supremacy" are like, "Mein Kampf in reverse".
     https://twitter.com/i/status/1644488388118970369
     How anti-semitic must Moshe Ya'alon, (checks notes) former Israeli Defence Minister be? :o
Nobody in their right mind would condone the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre. You have to understand the persecution of the Jews has endured for hundreds of years. I post one link but there are many others. https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/cliffords-tower-york/history-and-stories/massacre-of-the-jews/

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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2023, 02:29:PM »
Israel will exist for as long as the Jews upload the notion of "Never Again".

The idea being that if a country as civilized and developed as Germany can embark on their complete destruction, then any country could do so. And the only way to prevent that is with a nation state of their own.

https://altcensored.com/watch?v=okunFaE8zTM

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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2023, 02:41:PM »
Israel will exist for as long as the Jews upload the notion of "Never Again".

The idea being that if a country as civilized and developed as Germany can embark on their complete destruction, then any country could do so. And the only way to prevent that is with a nation state of their own.

https://altcensored.com/watch?v=okunFaE8zTM

I have long blamed the Nazis for Israeli belligerence and ruthlessness. And yes, the Nazis could not have done what they did without the German public at the time.  I just think it's Ironic that Israel itself has become a hateful state using horrible tactics. I saw Israeli Christians being spat on the other day by Jewish Israelis. Why is that any different to Nazis or Germans spitting on Jews?  The victims have become the monster. And they seem to enjoy it.

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« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2023, 04:21:PM »
I have long blamed the Nazis for Israeli belligerence and ruthlessness. And yes, the Nazis could not have done what they did without the German public at the time.  I just think it's Ironic that Israel itself has become a hateful state using horrible tactics. I saw Israeli Christians being spat on the other day by Jewish Israelis. Why is that any different to Nazis or Germans spitting on Jews?  The victims have become the monster. And they seem to enjoy it.

Nazi Germany stripped ethnic minorities of citizenship. Israel does not.

Nazi Germany made systematic genocide its domestic policy. Israel does not.

Nazi Germany attempted to impose itself on an entire continent whereas Israel's claim to land is modest and reasonable.

Israel's existential threats are real, whereas Nazi Germanys existential threats were mostly imaginary.

Israeli citizens who are not Jewish are relatively safe if they mind their own business. German citizens who didn't fit in with the Nuremberg Race Laws had their lives in jeopardy unless they fled.

As for being a "hateful state" its a bit difficult to like your neighbours when they hate you also.  :-\





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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2023, 05:52:PM »
Nazi Germany stripped ethnic minorities of citizenship. Israel does not.

Nazi Germany made systematic genocide its domestic policy. Israel does not.

Nazi Germany attempted to impose itself on an entire continent whereas Israel's claim to land is modest and reasonable.

Israel's existential threats are real, whereas Nazi Germanys existential threats were mostly imaginary.

Israeli citizens who are not Jewish are relatively safe if they mind their own business. German citizens who didn't fit in with the Nuremberg Race Laws had their lives in jeopardy unless they fled.

As for being a "hateful state" its a bit difficult to like your neighbours when they hate you also.  :-\

Hmmm. David, I can see why Israel originally formed the mentality that it did. What I find difficult to understand is why it clings to that mentality and pursues it to extremes.  I think you should condemn the Jews spitting on Christians.

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« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2023, 06:24:PM »
Hmmm. David, I can see why Israel originally formed the mentality that it did. What I find difficult to understand is why it clings to that mentality and pursues it to extremes.  I think you should condemn the Jews spitting on Christians.

Its a complex topic. Have you got Netflix? I recommend you watch the human factor.

PS: I condemn anyone spitting on anyone.

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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2023, 03:06:PM »
the zionist of the time did nothing to help the jews in eroupe the broke the jewish boycott of germany wich could well of tople the nazis had it lasted they also did a deal with  hitler to resetle german jews in isreal een though most of them dident want to go
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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2023, 09:38:PM »
Nazi Germany stripped ethnic minorities of citizenship. Israel does not.

Nazi Germany made systematic genocide its domestic policy. Israel does not.

Nazi Germany attempted to impose itself on an entire continent whereas Israel's claim to land is modest and reasonable.

Israel's existential threats are real, whereas Nazi Germanys existential threats were mostly imaginary.

Israeli citizens who are not Jewish are relatively safe if they mind their own business. German citizens who didn't fit in with the Nuremberg Race Laws had their lives in jeopardy unless they fled.

As for being a "hateful state" its a bit difficult to like your neighbours when they hate you also.  :-\
     Your one eyed propaganda is ridiculous and paints a much different picture to the reality

Most Palestinians in Jerusalem have Israeli residency rights, which allow them to work and travel freely and provide access to Israeli social services, but not full citizenship, which would allow them to vote.
   
    This is not to mention the situation in the West Bank and Gaza where "Israeli settlers"(largely anti-Arab extremists) have full citizenship but the indigenous Palestinians, despite living under Occupier rule, don't.

  Nazi Germany made systematic genocide its domestic policy. Israel does not.

   The occupiers make no secret of their ambitions to "ethnically cleanse" all of Palestine as well as areas of Syria, Lebanon etc. Operations "Cast Lead", "Breaking Dawn". Arabs call Operation Cast Lead, more accurately, the "Gaza Massacre". I could go on and on. Israeli brutality against civilian populations is endless. Their politicians openly refer to these atrocities against civilian populations as occasionally "mowing the grass". All of this is given a free pass by Zionist apologists.

Nazi Germany attempted to impose itself on an entire continent whereas Israel's claim to land is modest and reasonable.

    Is this meant to be ironic? Israel have never made clear their "claim", have never defined their borders and it is considered reasonable to the occupiers that Israel is "from the river to the sea". That's the banks of the Jordan to the Med. There are a few millions of people in those lands that would dispute your "modest and reasonable" tag. They already illegally occupy plenty of other people's lands. None of it is modest or reasonable.

Israel's existential threats are real, whereas Nazi Germanys existential threats were mostly imaginary.
     Imagine that!? They have spent 75 years stealing land, subjugating the indigenous population and it is surprising that they face "existential threats"? It isn't as much as the "existential threat" that they have imposed brutally and daily for 75 years+ on their neighbours. The demise of political Zionism in Palestine will remove the main existential threat to the wider Middle East.

Israeli citizens who are not Jewish are relatively safe if they mind their own business. German citizens who didn't fit in with the Nuremberg Race Laws had their lives in jeopardy unless they fled.

    Palestinians aren't safe though, even if "they mind their own business". The occupiers are colonialist thieving interlopers. The occupiers are reaching the end of their tenure. The Middle East is changing rapidly brought about by a combination of Chinese/Russian diplomacy and military might. Empire's outpost about to become a historical footnote.

As for being a "hateful state" its a bit difficult to like your neighbours when they hate you also.  :-\


    The Zionists are hated because they are a hateful supremacist cult. They are colonial interlopers and have murdered millions of Arabs, occupy and invade their neighbours with impunity- all backed by their ultimate sponsors in the West. Their sponsors are no longer feared. This is what has changed. Chinese diplomacy and deal-making has pushed Empire out of any diplomatic role. Russian muscle is the guarantor. NATO/US are being evicted from the Middle East as their position becomes less and less sustainable.
     China are offering to mediate on this issue also. It seems the most intractable problem in the world today but who knows. At least the Chinese come to the table without "skin in the game". New realities will birth new opportunities, possibly.

     A supposed "two-state" solution has been made all but impossible by continued expansionist policies of the Zio-state. Perhaps the solution now is a one-state, equal rights for all solution. The extremist Zionists (largely "settlers") could either accept the new "status quo" or use their dual nationality and go home.

    Whatever does happen, it is clear that Occupied Palestine is at a pivotal point of its short and brutal history.
    It is well known that when Nasrallah speaks-all of Israel pays attention.
   

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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2023, 10:25:AM »
     Your one eyed propaganda is ridiculous and paints a much different picture to the reality

Most Palestinians in Jerusalem have Israeli residency rights, which allow them to work and travel freely and provide access to Israeli social services, but not full citizenship, which would allow them to vote.
   
    This is not to mention the situation in the West Bank and Gaza where "Israeli settlers"(largely anti-Arab extremists) have full citizenship but the indigenous Palestinians, despite living under Occupier rule, don't.

  Nazi Germany made systematic genocide its domestic policy. Israel does not.

   The occupiers make no secret of their ambitions to "ethnically cleanse" all of Palestine as well as areas of Syria, Lebanon etc. Operations "Cast Lead", "Breaking Dawn". Arabs call Operation Cast Lead, more accurately, the "Gaza Massacre". I could go on and on. Israeli brutality against civilian populations is endless. Their politicians openly refer to these atrocities against civilian populations as occasionally "mowing the grass". All of this is given a free pass by Zionist apologists.

Nazi Germany attempted to impose itself on an entire continent whereas Israel's claim to land is modest and reasonable.

    Is this meant to be ironic? Israel have never made clear their "claim", have never defined their borders and it is considered reasonable to the occupiers that Israel is "from the river to the sea". That's the banks of the Jordan to the Med. There are a few millions of people in those lands that would dispute your "modest and reasonable" tag. They already illegally occupy plenty of other people's lands. None of it is modest or reasonable.

Israel's existential threats are real, whereas Nazi Germanys existential threats were mostly imaginary.
     Imagine that!? They have spent 75 years stealing land, subjugating the indigenous population and it is surprising that they face "existential threats"? It isn't as much as the "existential threat" that they have imposed brutally and daily for 75 years+ on their neighbours. The demise of political Zionism in Palestine will remove the main existential threat to the wider Middle East.

Israeli citizens who are not Jewish are relatively safe if they mind their own business. German citizens who didn't fit in with the Nuremberg Race Laws had their lives in jeopardy unless they fled.

    Palestinians aren't safe though, even if "they mind their own business". The occupiers are colonialist thieving interlopers. The occupiers are reaching the end of their tenure. The Middle East is changing rapidly brought about by a combination of Chinese/Russian diplomacy and military might. Empire's outpost about to become a historical footnote.

As for being a "hateful state" its a bit difficult to like your neighbours when they hate you also.  :-\


    The Zionists are hated because they are a hateful supremacist cult. They are colonial interlopers and have murdered millions of Arabs, occupy and invade their neighbours with impunity- all backed by their ultimate sponsors in the West. Their sponsors are no longer feared. This is what has changed. Chinese diplomacy and deal-making has pushed Empire out of any diplomatic role. Russian muscle is the guarantor. NATO/US are being evicted from the Middle East as their position becomes less and less sustainable.
     China are offering to mediate on this issue also. It seems the most intractable problem in the world today but who knows. At least the Chinese come to the table without "skin in the game". New realities will birth new opportunities, possibly.

     A supposed "two-state" solution has been made all but impossible by continued expansionist policies of the Zio-state. Perhaps the solution now is a one-state, equal rights for all solution. The extremist Zionists (largely "settlers") could either accept the new "status quo" or use their dual nationality and go home.

    Whatever does happen, it is clear that Occupied Palestine is at a pivotal point of its short and brutal history.
    It is well known that when Nasrallah speaks-all of Israel pays attention.
   

Agree 100%

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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2023, 06:03:PM »
Hassan Nasrallah is Secretary-General of Hezbollah, the terrorist group funded by Iran responsible for killing 241 military personnel in Beirut forty years ago. https://youtu.be/XBSE0JndWeo

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« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2023, 03:11:AM »
Hassan Nasrallah is Secretary-General of Hezbollah, the terrorist group funded by Iran responsible for killing 241 military personnel in Beirut forty years ago. https://youtu.be/XBSE0JndWeo
    Tellingly you haven't challenged any part of my post. Your only comment is to repeat regime propaganda against Nasrallah and Hezbollah. I will assume that the rest of the post is beyond challenge. Your evidence of Hezbollah being a "terrorist group" rather than a legitimate resistance against Zio aggression is to attribute, wrongly, the suicide bombing which killed 241 US personnel. The 58 French "peacekeepers" killed in the same bombing simply overlooked. 
     If your "evidence" of Hezbollah being a terrorist organisation relies on a bombing more than 40 years ago, that wasn't Hezbollah anyway-well it's worse than weak. It is non existent.
     
     Hezbollah, despite being a Shia group, have wide support amongst many Lebanese and are seen as the only capable resistance against Israel. Why and how did the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon(1985-2000) end? A 15 year occupation, attempting yet more land theft, driven out by Hezbollah. The actual Lebanese Army are toothless.
     The group that claimed responsibility for the suicide bombing on Beirut barracks were "Islamic Jihad". There is no evidence whatsoever that Hezbollah were responsible. The only link between "Hezbollah" and "Islamic Jihad" being the unsupported fantasy writings of Israeli "journalist", Ronen Bergman. Whether it is even a terrorist act is in the eye of the beholder anyway. Foreign military occupying troops, in whatever guise, are a legitimate target of resistance fighters.
     Were the UK, for instance, occupied by Lebanese "peacekeepers", I am sure that you would consider an attack on the foreign occupiers as resistance rather than terrorism. You cannot get past your colonial mindset. It cuts both ways.

https://jamestown.org/brief/sunni-muslims-standing-in-unity-with-shiite-hezbollah/

    From the above;

The latest crisis in the Middle East involving Hezbollah and Israel and ongoing sectarian violence in Iraq has focused attention on an emerging divide between Sunnis and Shiites. The positions of heads of state in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Pakistan, among others, who represent predominantly Sunni populations, in not taking a stronger stance in opposing Israel lends credence to the theory that Sunnis are tacitly siding with Israel against Hezbollah in order to check Shiite and, by extension, Iranian influence. In reality, the opposite is the case. Regional capitals and major cities in predominantly Sunni countries have been the scene of regular protests and other forms of dissent in what has been an upsurge of popular support for Hezbollah. In a recent demonstration in Cairo’s downtown Tahrir Square, protestors chanted: “with our soul and blood we support you Lebanon…oh beloved Nasrallah, hit, hit Tel Aviv” and “long live the Lebanese resistance…long live the Palestinian resistance…long live the Iraqi resistance”
The Jordanian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood issued a statement on July 30 on its website declaring its support for what it described as the “mujahideen from Hezbollah,” proclaiming that supporting Hezbollah constitutes a “duty” for all Muslims

    Hezbollah are the resistance to the state terrorism of Israel/US/NATO.

    The only reason that Hezbollah have in the last few years been declared a "terrorist organisation" by the list of usual suspects(Israel, France, UK, US etc.) is precisely because they are a hugely effective political and military force and an extremely effective resistance. Most Arab League countries also declared Hezbollah a terror group in 2016. This does not reflect Arab street opinion. It also needs to seen in the light of the prevailing geo-political circumstances of the time. We are now in the era of rapprochement between previously hostile Arab states, both amongst themselves and collectively towards Iran.
    Hezbollah have many social programs, of which you are no doubt unaware, and provide many healthcare, education, social welfare programs. Hezbollah need wide support to be successful and they don't get wide support by terrorising the population. They do terrorise the shit out of the real terrorists and their proxies. It is well known and admitted by the US military even, that Hezbollah were the most effective force against ISIS and the various western proxy terror groups operating in Syria. Hezbollah's presence in Syria being at the request of the legitimate Syrian govt. ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Nusra Front etc. were there at the request of their sponsors and funders(various US intel agencies).
     The 2006 invasion by Israel of Lebanon, where Israel were forced to withdraw after less than six weeks, being the last time Israel dare to face Hezbollah directly. Since that time it is known that Hezbollah have become only stronger. That is why all Israelis listen when Nasrallah speaks.
   
   



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« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2023, 04:05:AM »
 Hezbollah's presence in Syria being at the request of the legitimate Syrian govt. ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Nusra Front etc. were there at the request of their sponsors and funders(various US intel agencies).

     It would be hilarious if it weren't so serious-and possibly still is-hilarious that is.
     
     https://geopolitics.co/2016/10/25/pentagon-commandos-fighting-vs-cia-daesh-terrorists-in-syria/

    It’s not a Hollywood movie. It’s still happening right now.
In what could be the most defining moment of the US government foreign policy, or more accurately, sheer stupidity, the Pentagon armed commandos operating with their allies in Syria are now shooting CIA trained and funded terrorists, and for what purpose?

CIA-armed militias are shooting at Pentagon-armed ones in Syria
From Chicago Tribune
Syrian militias armed by different parts of the U.S. war machine have begun to fight each other on the plains between the besieged city of Aleppo and the Turkish border, highlighting how little control U.S. intelligence officers and military planners have over the groups they have financed and trained in the bitter 5-year-old civil war.
The fighting has intensified over the past two months, as CIA-armed units and Pentagon-armed ones have repeatedly shot at each other as they have maneuvered through contested territory on the northern outskirts of Aleppo, U.S. officials and rebel leaders have confirmed.
In mid-February, a CIA-armed militia called Fursan al Haq, or Knights of Righteousness, was run out of the town of Marea, about 20 miles north of Aleppo, by Pentagon-backed Syrian Democratic Forces moving in from Kurdish-controlled areas to the east.
“Any faction that attacks us, regardless from where it gets its support, we will fight it,” said Maj. Fares Bayoush, a leader of Fursan al Haq.
Rebel fighters described similar clashes in the town of Azaz, a key transit point for fighters and supplies between Aleppo and the Turkish border, and March 3 in the Aleppo neighborhood of Sheikh Maqsud.

     
     Hezbollah were there at the request of the Syrian govt. fighting against these foreign sponsored terror groups. The US/Israel et al having the fucking nerve to call Hezbollah terrorists whilst being the main agents of terror is absurd.