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Re: PC John Manners statement - 23/09/1985
« Reply #120 on: September 08, 2014, 12:24:PM »
I'm guessing that either you have misread something, or the person providing the information has made an error.

If you find it, it may be interesting to see.




Harters,I've definitely seen it somewhere,or I certainly wouldn't have mentioned it. How else would I have known about it ?  I jolly well hope that I can find it,for my own sanity if nothing else. ;D

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Re: PC John Manners statement - 23/09/1985
« Reply #121 on: September 08, 2014, 12:26:PM »
I have a feeling it's in Claire Powells' book,which is very " anti ".I'm looking as I write.

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Re: PC John Manners statement - 23/09/1985
« Reply #122 on: September 08, 2014, 12:32:PM »
Lookout,think you'll find it in Scott Lomax's book. I'm sure he wrote that there was a large amount of blood on the floor beside a kitchen cupboard,I think in the area where there was a bloodied hand print on the kitchen worktop?

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Re: PC John Manners statement - 23/09/1985
« Reply #123 on: September 08, 2014, 12:51:PM »
Lookout,think you'll find it in Scott Lomax's book. I'm sure he wrote that there was a large amount of blood on the floor beside a kitchen cupboard,I think in the area where there was a bloodied hand print on the kitchen worktop?





Oh thank you so much tyler. I'm busy going page for page through Claire Powells' book.
 Yes,it quite possibly is that book,because it's somewhere on the left hand side of a page. I knew I'd seen it and not dreamt it.
Very little,if anything was made of it considering Neville wasn't near the dresser/cupboard.

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Re: PC John Manners statement - 23/09/1985
« Reply #124 on: September 08, 2014, 12:54:PM »




Oh thank you so much tyler. I'm busy going page for page through Claire Powells' book.
 Yes,it quite possibly is that book,because it's somewhere on the left hand side of a page. I knew I'd seen it and not dreamt it.
Very little,if anything was made of it considering Neville wasn't near the dresser/cupboard.

That's probably because:

I'm guessing that either you have misread something, or the person providing the information has made an error.

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Re: PC John Manners statement - 23/09/1985
« Reply #125 on: September 08, 2014, 01:22:PM »
That's probably because:





Again,Harters,we rely on books/links/relatives,so how would we know ? Or they know,if it comes to that. However,perhaps it should have been more elaborated and brought in to question,like the silencer,bike and wetsuit. ;D

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Re: PC John Manners statement - 23/09/1985
« Reply #126 on: September 08, 2014, 01:24:PM »
Again,Harters,we rely on books/links/relatives,so how would we know ? Or they know,if it comes to that. However,perhaps it should have been more elaborated and brought in to question,like the silencer,bike and wetsuit. ;D

Refer to my post in another thread:

I wouldn't read a great deal in to any of the claims made in the various books.

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Re: PC John Manners statement - 23/09/1985
« Reply #127 on: September 08, 2014, 01:28:PM »
I don't Harters.In fact it's only the past couple of years that I've even bothered with the books,as prior to that,in 1986,I'd made my own mind up without the need for anyone else's help.

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Re: PC John Manners statement - 23/09/1985
« Reply #128 on: September 08, 2014, 05:12:PM »

Again,Harters,we rely on books/links/relatives,so how would we know ? Or they know,if it comes to that. However,perhaps it should have been more elaborated and brought in to question,like the silencer,bike and wetsuit. ;D

Books are improper to cited for evidence.  Statements by witnesses and books are 2 different animals.  Books are mainly useful to provide some background and to faciliate further research.  If you cite a claim for a book you have to make clear it is a claim for a book and not corroborated.

Books are most useful when the footnotes point out the genesis of the claims they are making.  If they are citing a document (including  astatement) you want to read the document in question to see if their claim is true.  If the claim is true you cite that document in the future not the book.  When you are stuck citing the book it means you don't know if the claim is true or not. So when you cite a book you are making a allegation effectively not presenting a documented fact.

many authoris include not footnotes and provide no basis for their allegations.  Those who do so at least enable you to try to check their claims out if you want to go through the effort which in some cases is a lot of effort depending on how hard it is to get a hold of the referenced materal.  Plenty of times footnotes do not hold up and the referenced material do not support the proposition claimed. 

If you don't check then in that case you say such and such author claims A,B,c but you don't know if it is actually true because you did not check.  That is done so you don't end up with egg on your face in the event he intentionally distorted or simply made an error.





   
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Re: PC John Manners statement - 23/09/1985
« Reply #129 on: September 08, 2014, 05:18:PM »
I don't Harters.In fact it's only the past couple of years that I've even bothered with the books,as prior to that,in 1986,I'd made my own mind up without the need for anyone else's help.

out of intrest lookout. wich books have you had a read of.

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Re: PC John Manners statement - 23/09/1985
« Reply #130 on: September 08, 2014, 05:38:PM »
out of intrest lookout. wich books have you had a read of.





I've actually flicked through the pages of Lomax's,Powells' and Wilkes's,but haven't read them from chapter to chapter.

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Re: PC John Manners statement - 23/09/1985
« Reply #131 on: September 08, 2014, 05:41:PM »
Obviously I got them to compare notes as it's always good to keep your options open,as some contain more info than others even if it is distorted out of all proportion.

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Re: PC John Manners statement - 23/09/1985
« Reply #132 on: September 08, 2014, 05:42:PM »
oh i see so thats more or less all of the published ones.

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Re: PC John Manners statement - 23/09/1985
« Reply #133 on: September 08, 2014, 05:45:PM »
That's right,there's also a Rough Justice paperback somewhere which I haven't read.

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Re: PC John Manners statement - 23/09/1985
« Reply #134 on: September 08, 2014, 06:01:PM »
is there ill have a look for that.