The Skripals-the obvious lies of the UK gov-what really happened?

[gringo]

You claimed there was "zero mentions" of Novichok in the OPCW reports. I looked, lo and behold it was there. You then started claiming the OPCW was corrupt.

    Having established that the OPCW have made no claims or accusations of Novichok being used anywhere ever, let's deal with the "claims" of OPCW corruption.
    Jose Bustani, former Director General of the OPCW (1997-2002) and ousted in extremely controversially circumstances under US pressure/threats had this to say;

  “Cheney wants you out,” Bustani recalled Bolton saying, referring to the then-vice president of the United States. “We can’t accept your management style.”
   “You have 24 hours to leave the organization, and if you don’t comply with this decision by Washington, we have ways to retaliate against you.”

There was a pause.

“We know where your kids live. You have two sons in New York.”

    The inspector/whistleblowers from the Douma Fact Finding Mission led by Ian Henderson. Well listen yourself what Ian Henderson had to say. Below he is saying it to the UN. It is a non controversial statement to point out that the OPCW has been compromised;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrdXDad0h28&ab_channel=vanessabeeley

   

[David1819]

You are selling a dead horse Gringo. Nobody is buying it.

12 days since you said  "Russia are about to drop the hammer" and since then the map hasn't changed and the Russian assault at Vuhledar has failed. Nobody bought it then and they certainly are not buying it now.

[ngb1066]

NGB, is Gringos view on Salisbury part of the 96.5% of things you agree with him on?

The CPS have filed charges against Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov. If for argument sake they were extradited and you were representing them. Would you be confident of an acquittal?

I agree with gringo that the British government account of the affair is highly suspect.  It is not only the detailed analysis gringo has provided on the Novichok issue, but other startling inconsistencies and "coincidences" in the official narrative.  The full truth of this has not come out, and may never be fully exposed.

I do believe that Petrov and Boshirov were Russian agents and they were not in Salisbury as tourists.

[Roch]

I agree with gringo that the British government account of the affair is highly suspect.  It is not only the detailed analysis gringo has provided on the Novichok issue, but other startling inconsistencies and "coincidences" in the official narrative.  The full truth of this has not come out, and may never be fully exposed.

I do believe that Petrov and Boshirov were Russian agents and they were not in Salisbury as tourists.

This is the sensible view.

[David1819]

I agree with gringo that the British government account of the affair is highly suspect.  It is not only the detailed analysis gringo has provided on the Novichok issue, but other startling inconsistencies and "coincidences" in the official narrative.  The full truth of this has not come out, and may never be fully exposed.

I do believe that Petrov and Boshirov were Russian agents and they were not in Salisbury as tourists.

Then what where they doing?

[Roch]

Then what where they doing?

I think they unwittingly walked in to a sting operation. Our security services turned them over good and proper. That might even be too simple to describe what happened. It may be much more complex. Maybe Skrpal is dead. Maybe lots of things.

[David1819]

I think they unwittingly walked in to a sting operation. Our security services turned them over good and proper. That might even be too simple to describe what happened. It may be much more complex. Maybe Skrpal is dead. Maybe lots of things.

They visited Salisbury twice. On the 3rd and the 4th. So they unwittingly did this twice?

What made them purchase tickets on March 1st?

Here they are on the day of the attack, They a walking towards a walkway that leads to Skripals house. The house being less than 250 meters away.



This is the walkway literally 15 or so meters from where they are seen walking above. It leads straight to Skripals house.

[Steve_uk]

     The credibility of the tale told by the UK government is so obviously bullshit, that it is staggering to me that people take this incoherent, inconsistent nonsense at face value. It falls apart immediately under any questioning at all. But questioning is "repeating Russian misinformation" or being a "Putin apologist". It isn't questioning obvious lies, it is spreading "Russian misinformation" so ignore your own lying eyes.
     The not questioning is a vital, but less understood part of propaganda and how it works. We have reached a stage where questioning the official  UK government line is regarded as unpatriotic or pro-Russian, pro-Assad. It bullies people mentally and psychologically into not questioning. Not many dare to be the boy who recognises that the Emperor is naked. Rather than not wanting to seen as too stupid to see the Emperors fine threads-people are instead afraid of being seen as pro-Putin(the new Hitler!!) and refuse to see the holes in Empire's not so fine threads.
      It is a story that cannot be summed up in one post, hence a new thread.
      The best and most detailed archive is on Salisbury resident and blogger Rob Slane's website the blogmire;

   https://www.theblogmire.com/category/skripal-case/

   
     
      He found himself at the centre of what was to become a huge international story. Although dismissed by David, with his usual irrelevant irreverence, as a "paleo conservative creationist", the detailed day to day reporting by RS and commenting by an army of informed locals and others made the Blogmire easily the most detailed reporting on the affair. Quite what the significance the religious beliefs and political views of anyone has to do with reporting on a huge local story is not elaborated on. They have no bearing, obviously. Do you apply the "check the religious beliefs and political opinions" test to everyone or just those whose views you find challenging? Must make it hard watching or reading anything. All that due diligence you need to carry out before watching or reading to make sure that they are "ideologically pure". Maybe just read/watch and then apply your own "critical thinking" to what has been written/said.
    I will post my views on what I believe was really was going on in Salisbury on 4 March 2018. It is speculation obviously, but based on what agreed facts that are available. What isn't speculation however, is that the UK government version of events is definitely not true, too many facts need to be ignored and wished away for it to be so. Our compliant media ignore those facts but truth doesn't.

     
     
   
     

Let me pre-empt you. https://youtu.be/fiLtEwKOhL4

[Steve_uk]

I agree with gringo that the British government account of the affair is highly suspect.  It is not only the detailed analysis gringo has provided on the Novichok issue, but other startling inconsistencies and "coincidences" in the official narrative.  The full truth of this has not come out, and may never be fully exposed.

I do believe that Petrov and Boshirov were Russian agents and they were not in Salisbury as tourists.

Oh but Salisbury cathedral spire is magnificent, especially worth a visit for two tough committed Christians.https://www.guideofengland.com/salisbury/Salisbury-cathedral-spire.html

[David1819]

If they were not in Salisbury as tourists, that only leaves two options.

They were carrying out tasks designated by their employer (the GRU) or they were lost. 

[gringo]

I agree with gringo that the British government account of the affair is highly suspect.  It is not only the detailed analysis gringo has provided on the Novichok issue, but other startling inconsistencies and "coincidences" in the official narrative.  The full truth of this has not come out, and may never be fully exposed.

I do believe that Petrov and Boshirov were Russian agents and they were not in Salisbury as tourists.

Who is Christopher Steele? Who is Pablo Miller? Is Orbis Business Intelligence merely a notionally private "front" for UK intel? What does this have to do with the Skripals "incident" in Salisbury?

     1) Christopher David Steele (born 24 June 1964) is a British former intelligence officer with the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) from 1987 until his retirement in 2009. He ran the Russia desk at MI6 headquarters in London between 2006 and 2009. In 2009, he co-founded Orbis Business Intelligence, a London-based private intelligence firm-from wiki

     Steele was Skripals MI6 "handler" when he was recruited by UK intel. Skripal was later convicted and served time in prison in Russia before being exchanged in a spy-swap arrangement.
     Pablo Miller is the MI6 agent who recruited Skripal. Both Steele and Miller are residents of Salisbury. Miller and Skripal were neighbours on Christie Miller road, Salisbury. All very curious?
    The more alert amongst us may also remember Christopher Steele as the author of the infamous "Russiagate" report, golden showers and other nonsense. Although now completely debunked the "Russiagate" nonsense authored by Steele took up years of hearings and unhinged commentary in the US and elsewhere.
     None of this would seem to have any relevance. The UK government however, immediately the incident occurred, issued a "D" notice to the press requiring a "voluntary ban" on mentioning Miller or Steele. Why? What are they hiding?
     The evidence of a UK intel cover up is overwhelming. The evidence for a nerve agent attack is non existent. Noise and propaganda is no substitute for evidence. In following posts I will raise some of the many holes and obvious questions of the "official narrative". 
     I raise this now and think it's relevance is related to the above point raised by ngb which will hopefully become clearer in later posts. They were pretty self evidently not tourists and equally self evidently they weren't nerve/chemical agent killers. So why were they in Salisbury?

[Steve_uk]

Who is Christopher Steele? Who is Pablo Miller? Is Orbis Business Intelligence merely a notionally private "front" for UK intel? What does this have to do with the Skripals "incident" in Salisbury?

     1) Christopher David Steele (born 24 June 1964) is a British former intelligence officer with the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) from 1987 until his retirement in 2009. He ran the Russia desk at MI6 headquarters in London between 2006 and 2009. In 2009, he co-founded Orbis Business Intelligence, a London-based private intelligence firm-from wiki

     Steele was Skripals MI6 "handler" when he was recruited by UK intel. Skripal was later convicted and served time in prison in Russia before being exchanged in a spy-swap arrangement.
     Pablo Miller is the MI6 agent who recruited Skripal. Both Steele and Miller are residents of Salisbury. Miller and Skripal were neighbours on Christie Miller road, Salisbury. All very curious?
    The more alert amongst us may also remember Christopher Steele as the author of the infamous "Russiagate" report, golden showers and other nonsense. Although now completely debunked the "Russiagate" nonsense authored by Steele took up years of hearings and unhinged commentary in the US and elsewhere.
     None of this would seem to have any relevance. The UK government however, immediately the incident occurred, issued a "D" notice to the press requiring a "voluntary ban" on mentioning Miller or Steele. Why? What are they hiding?
     The evidence of a UK intel cover up is overwhelming. The evidence for a nerve agent attack is non existent. Noise and propaganda is no substitute for evidence. In following posts I will raise some of the many holes and obvious questions of the "official narrative". 
     I raise this now and think it's relevance is related to the above point raised by ngb which will hopefully become clearer in later posts. They were pretty self evidently not tourists and equally self evidently they weren't nerve/chemical agent killers. So why were they in Salisbury?

You got that right.

[Roch]

They visited Salisbury twice. On the 3rd and the 4th. So they unwittingly did this twice?

What made them purchase tickets on March 1st?

Here they are on the day of the attack, They a walking towards a walkway that leads to Skripals house. The house being less than 250 meters away.



This is the walkway literally 15 or so meters from where they are seen walking above. It leads straight to Skripals house.

They don't look like they're on a clandestine mission. They're not behaving inconspicuously.  There's more to the story than the official UK version and the flimsy Russian denials.

[David1819]

Who is Christopher Steele? Who is Pablo Miller? Is Orbis Business Intelligence merely a notionally private "front" for UK intel? What does this have to do with the Skripals "incident" in Salisbury?

     1) Christopher David Steele (born 24 June 1964) is a British former intelligence officer with the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) from 1987 until his retirement in 2009. He ran the Russia desk at MI6 headquarters in London between 2006 and 2009. In 2009, he co-founded Orbis Business Intelligence, a London-based private intelligence firm-from wiki

     Steele was Skripals MI6 "handler" when he was recruited by UK intel. Skripal was later convicted and served time in prison in Russia before being exchanged in a spy-swap arrangement.
     Pablo Miller is the MI6 agent who recruited Skripal. Both Steele and Miller are residents of Salisbury. Miller and Skripal were neighbours on Christie Miller road, Salisbury. All very curious?
    The more alert amongst us may also remember Christopher Steele as the author of the infamous "Russiagate" report, golden showers and other nonsense. Although now completely debunked the "Russiagate" nonsense authored by Steele took up years of hearings and unhinged commentary in the US and elsewhere.
     None of this would seem to have any relevance. The UK government however, immediately the incident occurred, issued a "D" notice to the press requiring a "voluntary ban" on mentioning Miller or Steele. Why? What are they hiding?
     The evidence of a UK intel cover up is overwhelming. The evidence for a nerve agent attack is non existent. Noise and propaganda is no substitute for evidence. In following posts I will raise some of the many holes and obvious questions of the "official narrative". 
     I raise this now and think it's relevance is related to the above point raised by ngb which will hopefully become clearer in later posts. They were pretty self evidently not tourists and equally self evidently they weren't nerve/chemical agent killers. So why were they in Salisbury?

Christopher Steele lives in Farnham, Surrey.

anyway

So yes, why where the GRU agents two streets away from the crime scene shortly before the crime?
Why did they leave so abruptly after?
Why did they lie about what they were actually doing?
If there was no nerve agent attack then what killed Dawn Sturgess?

https://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/media/3904/Scope-ruling-Sturgess-20-December-2019/pdf/Scope-ruling-sturgess-20-december-20191.pdf

[David1819]

They don't look like they're on a clandestine mission.

No sh*t Sherlock. A clandestine mission involves operating unnoticed. Otherwise it wouldn't be a clandestine mission.