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Re: The Lucy Letby trial
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Re: The Lucy Letby trial
« Reply #542 on: January 17, 2025, 01:45:PM »
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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Re: The Lucy Letby trial
« Reply #543 on: January 17, 2025, 02:55:PM »
And no Lucy Letby in sight:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq5gd48v10jo

Are you implying that there's a new scandal unfolding across the NHS, for which Letby has been scapegoated, when in fact it is a pattern that could be being repeated elsewhere? Where there any whistleblowers in the Letby situation?
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Re: The Lucy Letby trial
« Reply #544 on: January 17, 2025, 03:35:PM »
Are you implying that there's a new scandal unfolding across the NHS, for which Letby has been scapegoated, when in fact it is a pattern that could be being repeated elsewhere? Where there any whistleblowers in the Letby situation?

This is not an isolated case. For the last 4 years Michael Bucannon on the BBC has been reporting incidents of poor maternity services across the UK. The Letby case was unusual because of the volume of  problems. I was not surprised when this case was first reported. It followed a pattern of those that preceded it. Staff shortages, lack of qualified midwives, poor and inadequate infrastructure, poor adherence to infection and sanitation control. We now know all the issues surrounding these tragic deaths. What is new is that independent neonatal experts have attributed at least one death to a mistake by a surgeon who pointed the finger at Letby.

The Duchess of Chester was dealing with a lot of the most difficult/acute cases and I believe that the organisation and senior members of staff did not want to be branded as those that had been under the spotlight before them. Today they can treat babies that would have died anyway a few years ago but they are risky to treat. The under resourcing of the NHS by the previous government also played apart in the equation.

Check MB's reporting.
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Re: The Lucy Letby trial
« Reply #545 on: January 17, 2025, 07:04:PM »
Are you implying that there's a new scandal unfolding across the NHS, for which Letby has been scapegoated, when in fact it is a pattern that could be being repeated elsewhere? Where there any whistleblowers in the Letby situation?

Not implying but I've always thought we need to see data for every neonatal unit across UK to understand whether or not the Countess of Chester was an anomaly.  Maybe this has been done but if it has I haven't seen or heard about it.  I think there were whisteblowers for both sides.  Defence saying CoC wasn't up to scratch and prosecution saying staff had their suspicions about LL.
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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Re: The Lucy Letby trial
« Reply #546 on: January 17, 2025, 08:54:PM »
Not implying but I've always thought we need to see data for every neonatal unit across UK to understand whether or not the Countess of Chester was an anomaly.  Maybe this has been done but if it has I haven't seen or heard about it.  I think there were whisteblowers for both sides.  Defence saying CoC wasn't up to scratch and prosecution saying staff had their suspicions about LL.

Professor Speigelhalter who was all over our  screens has just given evidence to the COVID enquiry. He cautions about how you interpret statistics and you have to consider 'Outliers'. I guess his actual testimony in available to view.

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Re: The Lucy Letby trial
« Reply #547 on: January 18, 2025, 08:23:AM »
And no Lucy Letby in sight:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq5gd48v10jo
The difference is the Defence in the Lucy Letby case conceded that there was a poisoner on the loose in the ward.

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Re: The Lucy Letby trial
« Reply #548 on: January 18, 2025, 09:13:PM »
proscution witness changes his mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-UMGopP0tM

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Re: The Lucy Letby trial
« Reply #549 on: January 18, 2025, 09:56:PM »
proscution witness changes his mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-UMGopP0tM
The babies weren't killed outright by those means, but were destabilized and suffered a collapse. I don't see how that fine distinction interferes with the overall conclusion that the one consistent factor was Lucy Letby.

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Re: The Lucy Letby trial
« Reply #550 on: January 18, 2025, 10:52:PM »
The difference is the Defence in the Lucy Letby case conceded that there was a poisoner on the loose in the ward.

Please provide evidence.
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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Re: The Lucy Letby trial
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Re: The Lucy Letby trial
« Reply #554 on: January 19, 2025, 08:23:PM »
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