The Lucy Letby trial

[Steve_uk]

She is a 32-year-old single woman, who lived with her parents, Johnathan, 77 and Susan, 63, in Hereford, England, where she grew up. They both attended Manchester Crown Court today to witness their daughter in the dock. In 2011 Lucy graduated from the University of Chester with a degree in Nursing and Midwifery. It is said she wanted to pursue the nursing profession from an early age. She started her working life at Liverpool Women's Hospital, where it's stated she was appreciated by her work colleagues.

In January 2015 she gained employment at the Countess of Chester Hospital's neonatal unit in Cheshire, North West England. She is accused of the murder of seven infants under twelve months from the period of June 2015-June 2016 and the attempted murder of ten more. In 2017 a police enquiry was begun into a significant statistical rise in the deaths of healthy babies. She was arrested in 2018 and again in 2019, but was bailed pending further police enquiries.

In November 2020 the parents of all babies affected were being fully updated on progress and supported by police. At this time district judge Nicholas Sanders of Warrington magistrates court claimed a Section 45 order, which restricted the mass media from distinguishing the declared victims of attempted murder. She was arrested for a third time in that month.

Lucy pleads not guilty to all charges. The trial continues. https://www.aol.co.uk/news/lucy-letby-trial-7-pieces-170108126.html

[Cambridgecutie]

She is a 32-year-old single woman, who lived with her parents, John, 72 and Susan, 67, in Hereford, England, where she grew up. They both attended Manchester Crown Court today to witness their daughter in the dock. In 2011 Lucy graduated from the University of Chester with a degree in Nursing and Midwifery. It is said she wanted to pursue the nursing profession from an early age. She started her working life at Liverpool Women's Hospital, where it's stated she was appreciated by her work colleagues.

In January 2015 she gained employment at the Countess of Chester Hospital's neonatal unit in Cheshire, North West England. She is accused of the murder of seven infants under twelve months from the period of June 2015-June 2016 and the attempted murder of ten more. In 2017 a police enquiry was begun into a significant statistical rise in the deaths of healthy babies. She was arrested in 2018 and again in 2019, but was bailed pending further police enquiries.

In November 2020 the parents of all babies affected were being fully updated on progress and supported by police. At this time district judge Nicholas Sanders of Warrington magistrates court claimed a Section 45 order, which restricted the mass media from distinguishing the declared victims of attempted murder. She was arrested for a third time in that month.

Lucy pleads not guilty to all charges. The trial continues. https://www.aol.co.uk/news/lucy-letby-trial-7-pieces-170108126.html

Thanks Steve.  I've been reading about this for the first time today.  Awful if true.  What struck me is that all those who died appear to have had a twin sibling? 

The prosecution also alleges that LL looked up the families of the deceased victims on facebook?

[FORTHCLYDE]

It was stated trial might last six months.
I stopped reading BBC news website as very upsetting.
I won't comment on case but remember Stockport nurse faced similar charges a few years ago.
But a couple of years later they caught the real culprit she was innocent.

[Steve_uk]

It was stated trial might last six months.
I stopped reading BBC news website as very upsetting.
I won't comment on case but remember Stockport nurse faced similar charges a few years ago.
But a couple of years later they caught the real culprit she was innocent.

This is the case you are referring to: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-27839522

The second day of the Lucy Letby trial: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-63214073

[lookout]

I admit to just reading snippets of this awful case and firstly wondered why, after 2 or 3 babies died, weren't there questions asked before many more succumbed. 

[Steve_uk]

It is hard to read. I can only surmise after the Stepping Hill Hospital investigation police had to be doubly sure they had a case before they brought it to the Crown Prosecution Service.

Trial Day 3: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/lucy-letby-sent-sympathy-card-to-parents-of-baby-she-murdered-court-told/ar-AA12StQl?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=13de89c40ae24da2a9c6051ca58df22d

[Steve_uk]

Thanks Steve.  I've been reading about this for the first time today.  Awful if true.  What struck me is that all those who died appear to have had a twin sibling? 

The prosecution also alleges that LL looked up the families of the deceased victims on facebook?

The allegations are truly shocking indeed..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/nurse-killed-two-out-of-three-triplets-and-smiled-after-killing-another-premature-baby-girl-at-fourth-attempt/ar-AA12Tb4k?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6f2a22d1d2ff4d33a1ac0ca40290baec

[Cambridgecutie]

It will be interesting to hear what the defence has to say!  If she's found guilty it just goes to show you can't judge a book by its cover as she looks like butter wouldn't melt. 

Its difficult to understand why alarm bells didn't ring earlier.  If you look up the stats for live birth v infant mortality including premature the number of deaths over the period in question in one hospital are off the richter scale. 

The babies appear to have died in the same way as the babies murdered by Beverley Allitt ie insulin and oxygen.

[Steve_uk]

It will be interesting to hear what the defence has to say!  If she's found guilty it just goes to show you can't judge a book by its cover as she looks like butter wouldn't melt. 

Its difficult to understand why alarm bells didn't ring earlier.  If you look up the stats for live birth v infant mortality including premature the number of deaths over the period in question in one hospital are off the richter scale. 

The babies appear to have died in the same way as the babies murdered by Beverley Allitt ie insulin and oxygen.

We never found out why she did it in that case either.

[Steve_uk]

Day 3 concludes: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/lucy-letby-police-found-note-saying-i-killed-them-on-purpose-court-hears/ar-AA12UG6H?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=efec7f92cb344886a5451441fba5710f

[Cambridgecutie]

We never found out why she did it in that case either.

Thought it was put down to Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy?

[lookout]

If you study those cold eyes of hers you'll see nothing beyond them. She's another who was literally born evil.

[Cambridgecutie]

If you study those cold eyes of hers you'll see nothing beyond them. She's another who was literally born evil.

Looks like butter wouldn't melt to my mind.  She hasn't been found guilty yet!

[Steve_uk]

Thought it was put down to Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy?

It does seem to be a textbook case here, though Beverley Allitt has never talked about it. It's now called Factitious disorder imposed on another, I believe. https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/munchausen-by-proxy

[Cambridgecutie]

It does seem to be a textbook case here, though Beverley Allitt has never talked about it. It's now called Factitious disorder imposed on another, I believe. https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/munchausen-by-proxy

What if any differences exist between (potentially Lucy Letby if found guilty) Beverly Allitt and Harrold Shipman?  I think the latter attempted to gain finacially by altering wills?  There's also the case in Glasgow involving a male nurse.  He was found guilty but is appealing.  Afaik this is the extent of medical personnel deliberately harming patients in modern times?  There have been cases of care workers abusing patients.