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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #105 on: July 25, 2011, 10:26:PM »
A lot of material could have been obtained by the CCRC using their powers but they have appeared very reluctant to use those powers.
Now can anyone offer a reasonable explanation as to why the CCRC didn't use their powers to obtain this information? It is an open question for anyone on the forum.

What information do you think was not obtained by the CCRC? What evidence do you think is being concealed by PII?
I suppose you could include that as part of my question? Just what is held under PII? But in any case it is evident that some documents are being held under PII and what I want to know is, why is anything to do with this case being kept secret if the CCRC are interested in real justice?


Here's part of the answer to your question, Grahame: Bamber case on 9/2 2005. The forum has a transcript of the full debate, as does Jeremy Bamber's web site.

Andrew Hunter MP.

"With the Bamber case, the key issue has been, and remains, the non-disclosure of evidence to the defence...The points that I have made—I could make many others if we had more time—give rise to grave concern about Bamber's conviction.

Their common theme is the non-disclosure of evidence by the police.

Nearly 16 years after the White House farm murders, the defence first saw the second bundle of photographs. After nearly 19 years, the defence team discovered that there was a full radio log, a telephone log and an incident report, of which it had previously been unaware. It is the understatement of all understatements to say that such non-disclosure is deeply worrying. Even worse, it is still going on.

Bamber's defence team has repeatedly asked for access to the following: first, the notebooks and other papers of Inspector Jones, who headed the initial investigation and firmly believed in Bamber's innocence; secondly, the findings of the coroner who inquired into Inspector Jones's sudden death, which have never been made public; thirdly, the audio recordings of all telephone and radio messages from White House farm; fourthly, the audio recordings describing the scene of the crime; fifthly, the video recordings of the scene of the crime; and sixthly, the original radio and telephone messages log and incident report. All are still being withheld from the defence. On every occasion on which the defence team has asked for them, Essex constabulary has refused to provide them. I put it directly to the Minister—and ask her to respond—that that is surely an intolerable state of affairs.

In December I tabled a written question asking the Home Secretary to instruct Essex constabulary to give Mr. Bamber's solicitors all audio tapes relating to events at White House farm. The Minister for Crime Reduction, Policing and Community Safety replied:

"The disclosure of information held by Essex Constabulary is a matter for the Chief Officer of the force".

Unfortunately, the chief constable has made his position clear: he will not co-operate. One wonders why not.

I understand that many other documents are withheld. There is also the further issue that some documents which have been - very slowly and painfully - obtained by the defence have been provided in an edited form, with pages missing from these.
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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #106 on: July 25, 2011, 10:26:PM »
PB I am not even going to respond to your posts anymore you have absolutely nothing to say but keep hanging off the back of Hartley
Oh dear that's upsetting!  ;D
Actually Jacks, you should be glad Bamber has a whole life tarriff. You would be dropped like a bad habit if he ever got out. Unless you're rich of course, in which case you'd probably get murdered too!
But I am glad you're going to stop nibbling my ankles.
Take care now!
PB I assure you that Jackie is not interested in JB in that way. She is a great campaigner for justice and is content to remain in the background if JB is ever freed.

By the way I think there is an ignore button when you go to the profile of any member? I think it is under "action". I do remember using it once, but I can't remember who now? ::) This might save a love of unpleasantness in the forum?
Save a love of unpleasantness hee hee. Nice slip!

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #107 on: July 25, 2011, 10:37:PM »
What is it with the guilty camp's ability to turn out troll after troll after troll?  Is there a factory line somewhere?  :o

I'm a troll now?  ???
No Hartley Roch wasn't referring to you. :D

But I can still live under a bridge if I want to?  ;D


Don't think you'd like it there, what happened to the troll under the bridge was rather nasty:

"Who’s that stomping over my bridge?" roared the troll, resting his chin on his hands.

"Billy Goat Gruff," said the third goat in a deep voice. "I’m going up to the mountain to eat the lush spring grass."

"Oh no you’re not," said the troll as he clambered up on to the bridge. "I’m going to eat you for breakfast!"

"That’s what you think," said the biggest Billy Goat Gruff. Then he lowered his horns, galloped along the bridge and butted the ugly troll. Up, up, up went the troll into the air... then down, down, down into the rushing river below. He disappeared below the swirling waters, and was drowned."

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #108 on: July 25, 2011, 10:38:PM »
wonder what response andrew hunter had for the questions he asked?

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #109 on: July 25, 2011, 10:52:PM »
PB there is more chance of you being the person responsible of the murders at WHF than there is of Jeremy being responsible.  You could possibly be the person seen running away from WHF.

I have never read or heard from Jeremy himself any kind of bitterness or hatred that you show on an hourly basis and that is even though continual lies have been told about him.  It is for anyone who knows this case and writes to Jeremy everyone comments on. Neville might not have been Jeremys natural father but he must have learnt something good from him.

You really are a nasty piece of work god knows who dragged you up

Ha ha. You really are a sad Bamber groupie aren't you ..... what else has a multiple murderer got to do than be sweetness and light to his desperately lonely, no doubt middleaged, sad groupies?
All the famous sick murderers have attracted such strange sad women; Ted Bundy had loads of them as did Richard Ramirez ... what attraction do you have to the vilest of scumbags like Bamber?
Funny and yet very sad  :'(
All the other people were attracted to people like Ted Bundy because he WAS a murderer. Those who fight for Jeremy Bamber do so because he IS NOT a murderer. A vital difference. If we believed he murdered those 5 people we would never fight for him. The great difference is you PB in that you cannot see the difference and so mock those who fight for justice.

I think I have my fair share of mocking too don't you .... I think my new nicname is going to be HeadTroll!  :D
Actually Bundy pleaded not guilty like Bamber and the groupies were all over him before and during his trial; he married one of them actually in the court room while the trial was on!
You know what I mean by groupie and hopefully some people know I can have a serious debate without personal attacks ..... I personally think I just respond to being attacked with mocking comments, but I will be more careful not to be the instigator.
I think Smiffy wants a good dust up though; I trust if two people agree they can have a good old fashioned toe to toe without it causing a problem?

My views will remain my views though. Funny thing is I woulld have signed MJ's petition if it was worded in a way I could support; unbiased basically! But surprisingly I was never asked; not!   

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #110 on: July 25, 2011, 11:26:PM »
PB there is more chance of you being the person responsible of the murders at WHF than there is of Jeremy being responsible.  You could possibly be the person seen running away from WHF.

I have never read or heard from Jeremy himself any kind of bitterness or hatred that you show on an hourly basis and that is even though continual lies have been told about him.  It is for anyone who knows this case and writes to Jeremy everyone comments on. Neville might not have been Jeremys natural father but he must have learnt something good from him.

You really are a nasty piece of work god knows who dragged you up

Ha ha. You really are a sad Bamber groupie aren't you ..... what else has a multiple murderer got to do than be sweetness and light to his desperately lonely, no doubt middleaged, sad groupies?
All the famous sick murderers have attracted such strange sad women; Ted Bundy had loads of them as did Richard Ramirez ... what attraction do you have to the vilest of scumbags like Bamber?
Funny and yet very sad  :'(
All the other people were attracted to people like Ted Bundy because he WAS a murderer. Those who fight for Jeremy Bamber do so because he IS NOT a murderer. A vital difference. If we believed he murdered those 5 people we would never fight for him. The great difference is you PB in that you cannot see the difference and so mock those who fight for justice.

I think I have my fair share of mocking too don't you .... I think my new nicname is going to be HeadTroll!  :D
Actually Bundy pleaded not guilty like Bamber and the groupies were all over him before and during his trial; he married one of them actually in the court room while the trial was on!
You know what I mean by groupie and hopefully some people know I can have a serious debate without personal attacks ..... I personally think I just respond to being attacked with mocking comments, but I will be more careful not to be the instigator.
I think Smiffy wants a good dust up though; I trust if two people agree they can have a good old fashioned toe to toe without it causing a problem?

My views will remain my views though. Funny thing is I woulld have signed MJ's petition if it was worded in a way I could support; unbiased basically! But surprisingly I was never asked; not!   
Yes but you are at fault as well PB. Because your react to what is said. In fact none of you anti or pro are making my life very easy here. Because I have to be fair. But it is very difficult to be fair because you call one another names and are so easily offended. I treat most things as a joke. But unfortunately a lot of people don't have my perverted sense of humour. I think I'm being fair when I ask everyone to simmer down and begin to treat one another in a civil way....Please? ;)

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #111 on: July 25, 2011, 11:37:PM »
Grahame. Chillax. (I believe that is the term that youngsters use these days.) In the old days, when we were just ruled by a benevolent Mike, we got away with murder. We didn't actually kill each other, though.And if there was a runt in the litter (you know who you are) they died of natural causes. You just care too much.

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #112 on: July 25, 2011, 11:45:PM »
Grahame. Chillax. (I believe that is the term that youngsters use these days.) In the old days, when we were just ruled by a benevolent Mike, we got away with murder. We didn't actually kill each other, though.And if there was a runt in the litter (you know who you are) they died of natural causes. You just care too much.
That was the reason Mike appointed moderators. So we don't get all this tripe posted. I'm chilled out. But when you get 2 sides both wanting the other side banned I do have a bit of a problem. I can put up with all this pointless talk for a long time. But there are others on the forum who are getting a bit irritated by it all and want serious discussions. That was the reason for my post.

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #113 on: July 25, 2011, 11:49:PM »
I suppose a firing squad would be a somewhat innapropriate method of dishing out punishment to those who step out of line?  :-\

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #114 on: July 25, 2011, 11:51:PM »
And there are some of us who just want a good scrap. We all (with the odd exception, again, you know who you are) seem to be highly intelligent on this forum. We can sort the wheat from the chaff. We won't all swoon away if we're challenged. Look at Hartley, and the flak he has to take. Yet still he keeps his head above the water, and does some excellent work. Seriously, Grahame, cut us some slack. Mike always did, and that's why there is still a forum. Look at some of the excellent posters who have left in the last month. Some of us are born to greatness...............

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #115 on: July 26, 2011, 12:21:AM »
A lot of material could have been obtained by the CCRC using their powers but they have appeared very reluctant to use those powers.
Now can anyone offer a reasonable explanation as to why the CCRC didn't use their powers to obtain this information? It is an open question for anyone on the forum.

What information do you think was not obtained by the CCRC? What evidence do you think is being concealed by PII?
I suppose you could include that as part of my question? Just what is held under PII? But in any case it is evident that some documents are being held under PII and what I want to know is, why is anything to do with this case being kept secret if the CCRC are interested in real justice?


Here's part of the answer to your question, Grahame: Bamber case on 9/2 2005. The forum has a transcript of the full debate, as does Jeremy Bamber's web site.

Andrew Hunter MP.

"With the Bamber case, the key issue has been, and remains, the non-disclosure of evidence to the defence...The points that I have made—I could make many others if we had more time—give rise to grave concern about Bamber's conviction.

Their common theme is the non-disclosure of evidence by the police.

Nearly 16 years after the White House farm murders, the defence first saw the second bundle of photographs. After nearly 19 years, the defence team discovered that there was a full radio log, a telephone log and an incident report, of which it had previously been unaware. It is the understatement of all understatements to say that such non-disclosure is deeply worrying. Even worse, it is still going on.

Bamber's defence team has repeatedly asked for access to the following: first, the notebooks and other papers of Inspector Jones, who headed the initial investigation and firmly believed in Bamber's innocence; secondly, the findings of the coroner who inquired into Inspector Jones's sudden death, which have never been made public; thirdly, the audio recordings of all telephone and radio messages from White House farm; fourthly, the audio recordings describing the scene of the crime; fifthly, the video recordings of the scene of the crime; and sixthly, the original radio and telephone messages log and incident report. All are still being withheld from the defence. On every occasion on which the defence team has asked for them, Essex constabulary has refused to provide them. I put it directly to the Minister—and ask her to respond—that that is surely an intolerable state of affairs.

In December I tabled a written question asking the Home Secretary to instruct Essex constabulary to give Mr. Bamber's solicitors all audio tapes relating to events at White House farm. The Minister for Crime Reduction, Policing and Community Safety replied:

"The disclosure of information held by Essex Constabulary is a matter for the Chief Officer of the force".

Unfortunately, the chief constable has made his position clear: he will not co-operate. One wonders why not.

I understand that many other documents are withheld. There is also the further issue that some documents which have been - very slowly and painfully - obtained by the defence have been provided in an edited form, with pages missing from these.
Thanks Keira. You are a great detective. ;D

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #116 on: July 26, 2011, 12:24:AM »
And there are some of us who just want a good scrap. We all (with the odd exception, again, you know who you are) seem to be highly intelligent on this forum. We can sort the wheat from the chaff. We won't all swoon away if we're challenged. Look at Hartley, and the flak he has to take. Yet still he keeps his head above the water, and does some excellent work. Seriously, Grahame, cut us some slack. Mike always did, and that's why there is still a forum. Look at some of the excellent posters who have left in the last month. Some of us are born to greatness...............
On my forum we tried creating a forum that could only be accessed with a password where people who liked that kind of thing could log in and leave the rest of the forum for the "intelligent" folk. Trouble is only an admin can set it up.

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #117 on: July 26, 2011, 12:28:AM »
On your forum, when you created a forum, was it a good forum?

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #118 on: July 26, 2011, 12:34:AM »
We need Grahame to be made an admin I think.

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Re: Essex police interviews of Jeremy Bamber, September 1985...
« Reply #119 on: July 26, 2011, 12:42:AM »
We need Grahame to be made an admin I think.
Heaven forbid. I'd press the red button by mistake.