Flaws in David1819's Sheila scenario.

[Jane]

Well,I suppose only June was a relation to the relatives through blood.But you have to remember that there are only four or five different blood groups,so it wouldn't be that hard to find a match for Sheila.It wasn't like DNA testing,mores the pity.

What about Ann? She was a mix of June, through Pam, her mother, June's sister, and RWB. As was her brother, David. As you have pointed out, Sheila's was a common blood group so it was hardly a great surprise to find someone, not biologically linked, with the same blood type.

[Adam]

Five victims with different blood groups plus possibility of mixtures, any human blood would probably been good enough to turn the tide against JB.

Because the silencer was in the cupboard and not beside Sheila.

If the silencer had been left beside Sheila we would not be here now.

Why would the relatives put human blood into the silencer, if they knew Sheila wouldn't bother putting the silencer away

[Steve_uk]

What about Ann? She was a mix of June, through Pam, her mother, June's sister, and RWB. As was her brother, David. As you have pointed out, Sheila's was a common blood group so it was hardly a great surprise to find someone, not biologically linked, with the same blood type.

It wasn't so common Jane: RWB and Sheila Caffell shared a blood group common to only 8% of the population. The question is whether the relatives knew her blood group, possibly from her recent stay at St. Andrew's, Northampton, from some other source or would even risk contaminating a silencer at all. https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/blood-2002-appeal

[Rob_]

Why would the relatives put human blood into the silencer, if they knew Sheila wouldn't bother putting the silencer away

I would word it another way a killer definitely would not put the silencer in the cupboard with blood, paint and hair on it.

[Adam]

I would word it another way a killer definitely would not put the silencer in the cupboard with blood, paint and hair on it.

Why would the relatives put human blood into the silencer, if they did not believe Bamber or Sheila would put it away?

[Rob_]

Why would the relatives put human blood into the silencer, if they did not believe Bamber or Sheila would put it away?

Well it worked at the end of the day, but only because the jury were misdirected by the judge.

[Steve_uk]

Why would the relatives put human blood into the silencer, if they did not believe Bamber or Sheila would put it away?

I suppose Robert Boutflour might have left it there for his children to find. The relatives weren't being taken seriously at all at that stage. I do have to say that even if the silencer was contaminated by the relatives it does not necessarily mean Jeremy Bamber is innocent.

[snow66!]

What about Ann? She was a mix of June, through Pam, her mother, June's sister, and RWB. As was her brother, David. As you have pointed out, Sheila's was a common blood group so it was hardly a great surprise to find someone, not biologically linked, with the same blood type.

You mentioned two of the victims being related by blood Jane,isn't it only June?Anyway,there appears to be eight blood types,three quite rare though.Which was Sheila?

[Steve_uk]

You mentioned two of the victims being related by blood Jane,isn't it only June?Anyway,there appears to be eight blood types,three quite rare though.Which was Sheila?

Sheila Caffell's enzyme blood grouping was A, PGM 1 +, EAP BA, AK1, HP2-1: an identical match to Robert Boutflour, Jeremy's uncle though marriage to his mother's sister, Pamela Speakman.

[Adam]

Well it worked at the end of the day, but only because the jury were misdirected by the judge.

So no reason why the relatives would.

Agree Sheila would not put the silencer away. Bamber would for reasons already said.

[Jane]

It wasn't so common Jane: RWB and Sheila Caffell shared a blood group common to only 8% of the population. The question is whether the relatives knew her blood group, possibly from her recent stay at St. Andrew's, Northampton, from some other source or would even risk contaminating a silencer at all. https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/blood-2002-appeal

Could you please outline exactly how you believe it possible for outsiders -they weren't even close relatives- to have obtained blood details of a patient, and indeed, perhaps you could explain why, given that Sheila had been hospitalized several months prior to the massacre, they'd have wanted them.

[Jane]

You mentioned two of the victims being related by blood Jane,isn't it only June?Anyway,there appears to be eight blood types,three quite rare though.Which was Sheila?

Mea culpa, Snow! Three were biologically related, although unrelated to the only one -June- who was biologically related to the family.

[Steve_uk]

Could you please outline exactly how you believe it possible for outsiders -they weren't even close relatives- to have obtained blood details of a patient, and indeed, perhaps you could explain why, given that Sheila had been hospitalized several months prior to the massacre, they'd have wanted them.

Well it was Sheila who chose to write to Ann from hospital remember. I'm not saying I believe the story of the fabricated silencer evidence, just that without it it would have been difficult for Robert Boutflour to have had the ear of ACC Simpson, which changed entirely the nature of the investigation.

[Jane]

Well it was Sheila who chose to write to Ann from hospital remember. I'm not saying I believe the story of the fabricated silencer evidence, just that without it it would have been difficult for Robert Boutflour to have had the ear of ACC Simpson, which changed entirely the nature of the investigation.

But that letter was written around five months prior to the massacre, wasn't it, Steve. Unless the relatives had some sort of dark, satanic premonition of what was to come, I don't see how that letter could have served any purpose. I think the wrong tree may be being barked up!!

[Rob_]

So no reason why the relatives would.

Agree Sheila would not put the silencer away. Bamber would for reasons already said.

Nope JB definitely would not put the silencer away in the condition it was found, he would not have allowed anyone access to the house if he had loose ends like this to be tided up.

It's also laughable to believe five police officers missed it as well.