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Re: Two hundred pieces of evidence against Bamber
« Reply #75 on: July 07, 2022, 06:49:PM »
If Nevill called Chelmsford Police, he would get through to West. As Bamber did.

Nevill's call would have to be before Bamber phoned West.

Otherwise West would not have bothered asking Bamber for details. West would just tell Bamber he knows all about it & it's being dealt with.

End of issue.
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Re: Two hundred pieces of evidence against Bamber
« Reply #76 on: July 07, 2022, 06:50:PM »
Having checked,Mr Blobby did not appear on TV untill 1992 on Noels house party.However he may have been born for many years before starting a TV career. :))

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Re: Two hundred pieces of evidence against Bamber
« Reply #77 on: July 07, 2022, 06:55:PM »
If Nevill called Chelmsford Police, he would get through to West. As Bamber did.

Nevill's call would have to be before Bamber phoned West.

Otherwise West would not have bothered asking Bamber for details. West would just tell Bamber he knows all about it & it's being dealt with.

End of issue.

If Bamber had said in 1985 West told him he already knew all about the issue from an earlier call, that would have been interesting.

But Bamber's never said that.
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Re: Two hundred pieces of evidence against Bamber
« Reply #78 on: July 07, 2022, 07:01:PM »
Bamber's own phone evidence confirms Nevill did not call West.
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Re: Two hundred pieces of evidence against Bamber
« Reply #79 on: July 07, 2022, 07:08:PM »
If Bamber had said in 1985 West told him he already knew all about the issue from an earlier call, that would have been interesting.

But Bamber's never said that.
Hi Adam,I think someone explained this a while back,police cannot discuss other peoples calls,all West was required to do was tell JB to meet the police at the farm.The police were already in transit because of Nevills call.

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Re: Two hundred pieces of evidence against Bamber
« Reply #80 on: July 07, 2022, 07:12:PM »
Because the police were on their way to the white house when JB phoned,there was no need for West to pass on JBs call to Bonnet,everything was already in motion because of Nevs call.Quite simple.

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Re: Two hundred pieces of evidence against Bamber
« Reply #81 on: July 07, 2022, 07:12:PM »
Hi Adam,I think someone explained this a while back,police cannot discuss other peoples calls,all West was required to do was tell JB to meet the police at the farm.The police were already in transit because of Nevills call.

West isn't going to waste Bamber's time taking details again. Which according to Bamber took over 5 minutes.

He would just tell Bamber he has received another call & police had already been despatched to WHF.
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Re: Two hundred pieces of evidence against Bamber
« Reply #82 on: July 07, 2022, 07:14:PM »
Bamber's own phone evidence confirms there was no call from Nevill.

It has always been an outrageous claim by the CT. Made decades later. Blatant properganda to influence gullible supporters, hence this forum.
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Re: Two hundred pieces of evidence against Bamber
« Reply #83 on: July 07, 2022, 07:15:PM »
Yes,we understand about the sender and receiver and all that,but what I want explained is the VAST difference in the wording of the two logs.No one has addressed this to my satisfaction Lookout.Not West in his interview and not Killingeve.

To answer your question, there isn't a vast difference in the wording of the two logs.  You say there is, but this is not the case.  Let me explain:

First of all Both logs convey the exact same message.

Here is Malcolm Bonnetts version of the message, as it appears on the form that he filled in - And just as a reminder it is this message that Jeremy Bamber falsely says, comes from a phone call made by Nevill Bamber :


Subject: Daughter gone berserk

Mr Bamber
White House Farm
Tollshunt D'arcy

Daughter Sheila Bamber, aged 26 yrs has got hold of one of my guns.

Message passed to CD by the son of Mr Bamber, after the phone went(?) dead. Mr Bamber has a collection of shotguns and .410's



The above message contains the same information as that of PC West, but is written in the first person, presumably to to avoid the whole thing descending into a game of Chinese whispers.

If you listen to Michael West's interview from the recent documentary, he says that Malcolm Bonnett has 'transposed' the message.  And transposed just means - in this context -  changed the format of the message.

More accurately, he's changed the grammatical structure, so that it reads in the first person, and  he must have done it for reasons of clarity.

If you imagine how it would have happened at the time, Malcolm Bonnet would have received PC West's message, so what does he then write down?

If Malcolm Bonnet wrote down the events as they were being told to him by PC West, he would have had to have written something like:

PC West from Chelmsford station, said that Jeremy Bamber at Goldhanger Lane said that his father Nevill Bamber at Tollshunt D'arcy said that Jeremy Bambers sister, Nevill Bambers daughter, Sheila.....has gone crazy with a gun.
   
There is no way that Malcolm Bonnett would or could have written the message in such a convoluted and confusing way.

The thing that is creating the emergency  isn't PC West, and isn't Jeremy Bamber.  It is Sheila with the gun.

By writing in the first person he removed all the extraneous stuff.

And then, to save any confusion, he wrote a little explanatory paragraph after the message.

And just to confirm, the explanatory paragraph being this...

Message passed to CD by the son of Mr Bamber, after the phone went(?) dead. Mr Bamber has a collection of shotguns and .410's

The explanatory paragraph proves that the message came originally from Jeremy Bamber, not Nevill Bamber.

And the contents of the sender box proves that Malcolm Bonnett received the message from PC West, not Nevill Bamber.

And that is why Malcolm Bonnett's message is different from PC West's message.  But actually, in the end, not a vast difference, and something that can be easily explained. 

But big evidence trumps small evidence.  And the big evidence with these forms is contained in the 'sender' boxes.  And the contents of those boxes alone, proves that Nevill did not make any of those calls.
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Re: Two hundred pieces of evidence against Bamber
« Reply #84 on: July 07, 2022, 07:17:PM »
West isn't going to waste Bamber's time taking details again. Which according to Bamber took over 5 minutes.

He would just tell Bamber he has received another call & police had already been despatched to WHF.
The police had only just left Witham when JB phoned,there was plenty time to take a few details from JB to check if it was indeed a call about the same incident,that would be protocol Adam.

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Re: Two hundred pieces of evidence against Bamber
« Reply #85 on: July 07, 2022, 07:24:PM »
To answer your question, there isn't a vast difference in the wording of the two logs.  You say there is, but this is not the case.  Let me explain:

First of all Both logs convey the exact same message.

Here is Malcolm Bonnetts version of the message, as it appears on the form that he filled in - And just as a reminder it is this message that Jeremy Bamber falsely says, comes from a phone call made by Nevill Bamber :


Subject: Daughter gone berserk

Mr Bamber
White House Farm
Tollshunt D'arcy

Daughter Sheila Bamber, aged 26 yrs has got hold of one of my guns.

Message passed to CD by the son of Mr Bamber, after the phone went(?) dead. Mr Bamber has a collection of shotguns and .410's



The above message contains the same information as that of PC West, but is written in the first person, presumably to to avoid the whole thing descending into a game of Chinese whispers.

If you listen to Michael West's interview from the recent documentary, he says that Malcolm Bonnett has 'transposed' the message.  And transposed just means - in this context -  changed the format of the message.

More accurately, he's changed the grammatical structure, so that it reads in the first person, and  he must have done it for reasons of clarity.

If you imagine how it would have happened at the time, Malcolm Bonnet would have received PC West's message, so what does he then write down?

If Malcolm Bonnet wrote down the events as they were being told to him by PC West, he would have had to have written something like:

PC West from Chelmsford station, said that Jeremy Bamber at Goldhanger Lane said that his father Nevill Bamber at Tollshunt D'arcy said that Jeremy Bambers sister, Nevill Bambers daughter, Sheila.....has gone crazy with a gun.
   
There is no way that Malcolm Bonnett would or could have written the message in such a convoluted and confusing way.

The thing that is creating the emergency  isn't PC West, and isn't Jeremy Bamber.  It is Sheila with the gun.

By writing in the first person he removed all the extraneous stuff.

And then, to save any confusion, he wrote a little explanatory paragraph after the message.

And just to confirm, the explanatory paragraph being this...

Message passed to CD by the son of Mr Bamber, after the phone went(?) dead. Mr Bamber has a collection of shotguns and .410's

The explanatory paragraph proves that the message came originally from Jeremy Bamber, not Nevill Bamber.

And the contents of the sender box proves that Malcolm Bonnett received the message from PC West, not Nevill Bamber.

And that is why Malcolm Bonnett's message is different from PC West's message.  But actually, in the end, not a vast difference, and something that can be easily explained. 

But big evidence trumps small evidence.  And the big evidence with these forms is contained in the 'sender' boxes.  And the contents of those boxes alone, proves that Nevill did not make any of those calls.
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Re: Two hundred pieces of evidence against Bamber
« Reply #86 on: July 07, 2022, 07:25:PM »
Bamber's own phone evidence confirms there was no call from Nevill.

It has always been an outrageous claim by the CT. Made decades later. Blatant properganda to influence gullible supporters, hence this forum.
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Re: Two hundred pieces of evidence against Bamber
« Reply #87 on: July 07, 2022, 07:26:PM »
The police had only just left Witham when JB phoned,there was plenty time to take a few details from JB to check if it was indeed a call about the same incident,that would be protocol Adam.

As Bamber said, he was asked for all details.

Bamber phoning the sixth furthest police station is weird enough. There is no possibility Nevill did.
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Re: Two hundred pieces of evidence against Bamber
« Reply #88 on: July 07, 2022, 07:28:PM »
Am I a creepy fan Adam? :))

'Gullible'.

The CT will claim Nevill phoned Chelmsford Police to attract gullible supporters who will actually believe it.

Even David believes it is too far fetched.
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Re: Two hundred pieces of evidence against Bamber
« Reply #89 on: July 07, 2022, 07:34:PM »
As Bamber said, he was asked for all details.

Bamber phoning the sixth furthest police station is weird enough. There is no possibility Nevill did.
As I said Adam,Bews and the gang had just left Witham,West knew he had plenty time to quiz JB,any additional info gathered from him could be relayed to CA07.For instance the details of the weapons at the Whitehouse being passed to Bonnet in his rolling log,started by Nevills call of course.All makes sense,think about it Adam.