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Re: Breakdown of Wilkinsons cycling statement:
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2023, 05:46:PM »
You have posted yourself it was timed in daylight, why do you want a source for something you already know?

Where? Not in this thread. Please provide the source.

Forth request.
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Re: Breakdown of Wilkinsons cycling statement:
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2023, 05:50:PM »
Maybe time for Rob to say he has not got a source.

Maybe SteveUK will save him again.

If Wilkinson cycled in daylight, that is fine. It negates Rob's theory that Bamber could not cycle in the dark. The police not believing they had to prove Bamber could cycle in the dark.
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Re: Breakdown of Wilkinsons cycling statement:
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2023, 09:46:AM »
Looks like the forum will never know whether Wilkinson cycled in daylight or in early evening darkness.

Rob said it was in daylight but has not provided a source  despite 4 requests.

The advantages of daylight are that Wilkinson can observe the terrain & include it in his WS. Which he did do.

The advantage of night time is it mirrors Bamber's cycle journies.

Either way, Wilkinson checking terrain & distance with his Pedometer means he was going at a leisurely pace. A fit Bamber going at full pelt on land he knows would be much quicker.

The police would not expect the defence to say Bamber could not see in the dark. As Rob repeatedly claims.
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Re: Breakdown of Wilkinsons cycling statement:
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2023, 10:06:AM »
Looks like the forum will never know whether Wilkinson cycled in daylight or in early evening darkness.

Rob said it was in daylight but has not provided a source  despite 4 requests.

The advantages of daylight are that Wilkinson can observe the terrain & include it in his WS. Which he did do.

The advantage of night time is it mirrors Bamber's cycle journies.

Either way, Wilkinson checking terrain & distance with his Pedometer means he was going at a leisurely pace. A fit Bamber going at full pelt on land he knows would be much quicker.

The police would not expect the defence to say Bamber could not see in the dark. As Rob repeatedly claims.

Back to your totally impossible timeline Adam?

How about a detailed timeline starting from when he fakes the call to his cottage, climbing out the window putting the items back on the sill, cycling gingerly in the dark with no lights, washing, disposing of cloths, cleaning Junes bike etc. thanks.

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Re: Breakdown of Wilkinsons cycling statement:
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2023, 10:17:AM »
Back to your totally impossible timeline Adam?

How about a detailed timeline starting from when he fakes the call to his cottage, climbing out the window putting the items back on the sill, cycling gingerly in the dark with no lights, washing, disposing of cloths, cleaning Junes bike etc. thanks.

Well that has been posted before.

Obviously if Wilkinson was cycling to monitor time & terrain, he would be cycling at a leisurely pace. We also don't know if Wilkinson was a fellow fit 24 year old.

The time would be much quicker with a hyped up Bamber cycling at full pelt. Should be zero of both.
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Re: Breakdown of Wilkinsons cycling statement:
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2023, 10:21:AM »
Well that has been posted before.

Obviously if Wilkinson was cycling to monitor time & terrain, he would be cycling at a leisurely pace. We also don't know if Wilkinson was a fellow fit 24 year old.

The time would be much quicker with a hyped up Bamber cycling at full pelt.

Nope not a detailed breakdown of everything he had to do, because then 15 minutes is just impossible.

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Re: Breakdown of Wilkinsons cycling statement:
« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2023, 10:28:AM »
Nope not a detailed breakdown of everything he had to do, because then 15 minutes is just impossible.

Well Bamber cycling back in 10 minutes puts him well within the 16/26 minute time period he has given himself.

How about a detailed Sheila  breakdown from you? Your one attempt from over a year ago  had 53 flaws & 47 'maybe's'. Should be zero of both.
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Re: Breakdown of Wilkinsons cycling statement:
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2023, 10:35:AM »
Well Bamber cycling back in 10 minutes puts him well within the 16/26 minute time period he has given himself.

How about a detailed Sheila  breakdown from you? Your one attempt from over a year ago  had 53 flaws & 47 'maybe's'. Should be zero of both.

You cannot even get Sheila from her bedroom to her parents room, without her either seeing June or her children or both your scenario is hopeless.

No wonder Cc had JB banging saucepans outside the bedroom to draw Nevil out!

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Re: Breakdown of Wilkinsons cycling statement:
« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2023, 11:12:AM »
You cannot even get Sheila from her bedroom to her parents room, without her either seeing June or her children or both your scenario is hopeless.

No wonder Cc had JB banging saucepans outside the bedroom to draw Nevil out!

Well there are 3 options -

Through the main bedroom door. In the dark.

Via the box room. In the dark.

Sheila woke & got up. Killed where Bamber found her.

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I did post this yesterday.

You need to address your 53 flaws & 47 maybe's. CSI don't make decisions on flaws & maybe's.

I don't agree Bamber banged saucepans. Cambridge will have to reply to that.
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Re: Breakdown of Wilkinsons cycling statement:
« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2023, 11:18:AM »
Well there are 3 options -

Through the main bedroom door. In the dark.

Via the box room. In the dark.

Sheila woke & got up. Killed where Bamber found her.

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I did post this yesterday.

You need to address your 53 flaws & 47 maybe's. CSI don't make decisions on flaws & maybe's.

Like I have said before a Sheila scenario is not important, the police were happy the crime scene was consistent with Sheila committing the crime. They were their walking round the house and saw no problems.

On the other hand your JB scenario rely's on one impossible event after the other, if you address these huge problems I might consider another Sheila scenario.

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Re: Breakdown of Wilkinsons cycling statement:
« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2023, 11:20:AM »
Like I have said before a Sheila scenario is not important, the police were happy the crime scene was consistent with Sheila committing the crime. They were their walking round the house and saw no problems.

On the other hand your JB scenario rely's on one impossible event after the other, if you address these huge problems I might consider another Sheila scenario.

I am afraid it is.

If you can't explain how Sheila committed the massacre (without 100 flaws/maybe's) it means the 38 year conviction is safe.
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Re: Breakdown of Wilkinsons cycling statement:
« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2023, 11:32:AM »
I am afraid it is.

If you can't explain how Sheila committed the massacre (without 100 flaws/maybe's) it means the 38 year conviction is safe.

If you cannot explain a plausible JB scenario the conviction is unsafe.

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Re: Breakdown of Wilkinsons cycling statement:
« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2023, 11:38:AM »
If you cannot explain a plausible JB scenario the conviction is unsafe.

I have given a rock solid scenario & answered all questions.

Your main objections are Bamber could not see in the dark & Nevill would not leave June while being shot at. Both are your opinions.
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Re: Breakdown of Wilkinsons cycling statement:
« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2023, 01:25:PM »
Maybe Kestrel can provide a source - that PC Wilkinson cycled in daylight. Or in early darkness.

He is online & is interested in the cycle ride.

Rob said he cycled in daylight but did not provide a source despite 4 requests.

Not too important to me as don't believe darkness is the obstacle Rob claims. But be good to know.
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Re: Breakdown of Wilkinsons cycling statement:
« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2023, 01:31:PM »
We know that PC Wilkinson was monitoring terrain & distance during his bike rides. He was also cycling several different routes.

So likely he was cycling at a very pedestrian pace.

I did ask for a photo of him. But none was forthcoming. If he was anything like the other EP officers involved in the case, he certainly was not a fit 24 year old.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2023, 01:32:PM by Adam »
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