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Re: False Alibi.
« Reply #60 on: July 10, 2022, 04:45:PM »
Even with the limited amount available to source on this case, the blatant manipulation and lies from Mitchell's enablers - Nothing puts LM anywhere other than RDW taken the life of his girlfriend.


The amount of material is limited for a reason.  ;)

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« Reply #61 on: July 10, 2022, 06:52:PM »
The amount of material is limited for a reason.  ;)

Where do you think Parky gets his material from?

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« Reply #62 on: July 13, 2022, 04:21:PM »
Not about what is accessed it is how it is used:

IB is a psychological approach of deflection. When one can not prove the evidence against LM to be false, then it is to distract away from the convicted and replace the focus elsewhere. That wonderful language of deception.

It is, here is MY case. I have put together in once place for the first time everything publicly known of this case. If there is anything missing from my book then it was also missing from LM's defence case papers, and of course the media. It is fuelled with pre-determined answers for any questions that will arise. It is based around several safety nets of control. Language the main control. It is the clear inference and leading of - This is "everything" you need to know. That it is the truth. (There is stark difference in truth and relevance, or fragments of truth morphed into something false)

These are (safety nets), using what can be sourced publicly and working around this, using media reports as the proof of "everything" in this newly formed case. It is banking upon that which can not be sourced publicly, to manipulate around. If anything should arise that is not covered in the book,  then it is already covered by the 'also missing from the defence papers' but it is also covered by another safety net. Which is, that people will oppose the truth that is being revealed. That should they oppose what is written in the book it is because they fear the truth. If they fear the truth then it is because they have something to hide or protect.

Simplifying, erasing, contents and context of reason as to why suspicion fell upon LM, remained there and subsequently convicted. It is what it says on the tin. Here is my case, there can only be one conclusion which is LM was not convicted beyond that reasonable doubt. Once you have reached the only conclusion to be had then ask yourself one question. "Who killed Jodi Jones?"

Some pre-determined answers: For the most part it is built around what can and does happen in wrongful convictions without proof it happened in this case. It is simply trying to apply this fact to air. The tunnel vision, confirmation bias is not the work of the police, it is the work of the author. Born without a doubt in those months prior to Mitchells arrest. It is the author who had LM earmarked as innocent before knowing anything of the actual evidence. 'Shoring over those gaping holes with the most extraordinary fallacy' Where there can be no doubt of that far too "close collaboration" between three people in that period of time and forward. Not the police and witnesses but SL with LM and his mother?

However, the claim is tunnel vision and confirmation bias from the police. It is that the defence had their hands tied so tightly behind their backs they caught fast the zip one has applied up it. It is self interest from the police on to the key witnesses. The rest fall under different categories;

The young and manipulated where the police could have replaced wording in their statement with language they did not understand. Accepting the police telling them that it was fine, it all meant the same thing when it did not.

Those such as in the F&W chapter. Who have a memory, then small but frequent changes are made to that memory. So small they do not notice the change. Before they are aware of what is happening they have a new memory. Two memories can not be correct so they go for the changed one, the most recent fresh account?

The Jury who were swamped with information they simply could not have understood. There are many points like this with the clear inference that, SL was present in all of this when she was not. However that Jury, not understanding the evidence put before them. Legal jargon which took up most of the 9 weeks! (one is applying the attendance of appeal procedures to that trial, it is false) Then gives an example of how trial by media takes place. One has connections! A Juror who read something in the media, that they had no memory of hearing this piece of evidence in court. Accepted that the media must have been telling the truth, that they missed (must have been in another language, that legal jargon) this piece of evidence and applied it. That it was in fact the media who had put out something false.

There are of course many more pre-determined answers. Until we have, 9 weeks of nothing. A dim Jury, defence, police, witnesses. All working on that distraction away from the actual evidence itself.

The experts which will no doubt pop out again now. This 'it is not only me that thinks like this' They have not read and given any opinion on IB, the full whack. It is again that which the author highlights in the book, that she has applied to witnesses on the stand. Or indeed in statements. Ask a question a certain way to illicit the response required.

FS and the changes to statements - With absolutely nothing of contents and context.

But it is this I would like to highlight from eye witness testimony and the expert - 'If the witness is shown only one person who fits their description they will pick that person' Really? We are told that none of the witnesses described a person anything like LM yet they certainly picked him. Perhaps it was that blazing sun (not) shining from behind LM that made them go with the lighter background, or is this another eye witness expert?

Perfection, nothing else will do. AB and late teens to F&W 15-17yrs. Can not possibly be the same person on either side of that path. To LM's twin and MK who was in his early 20's and it can be accepted that their 15-17yrs could be inaccurate. Having the same hair style, exact colour of clothing, similar style from those driving past, one on the kerb side the other into that lane away from the road. To the new chosen option out of many in the book?

That F&W did see LM they just "misremembered" where on Newbattle Road this was (this road by the way is over a mile long, this MK was known to have been on it that evening?). So it was him (LM), and everything else they simply got wrong, no perfection required and miles out. From standing at a wooden gate to sitting on a stone wall. To having a khaki green parka style coat on to a shiny green blouson jacket with orange lining. From dark/black footwear to light coloured snow boarding boots - But they are correct, it was LM that F&W saw and not MK. And it was at the wooden gate. But it is ok, to have gotten everything else wrong as long as we place that sighting several hundred yards apart. From under the shade and canopy of those trees to an open area, on a wall beside a bus stop in different clothing - have a word!

Last year and the claim for SL being demanded to hand case papers back - reason produced, that LM had a new legal team on board. It was simply a mix up, a misunderstanding. The papers were to go to his new legal team, it was promising, exactly what they had been hoping for. FW to this year and Bullseye asked a question around re-testing. No answer could be given whilst the new legal team were busy working away at this. FW again to several days ago and SF's and it is "Luke does not have a lawyer"

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Re: False Alibi.
« Reply #63 on: July 16, 2022, 12:29:PM »
Ok, firstly the attack did not happen on the path, it happened and was contained to a small area within that woodland strip. Namely NW and W of the V break, within there. The burn you mention (Ochre) runs through that area. Why would LM go up to the V break to enter RDP? and risk having nowhere to keep himself out of sight, should anyone have come along there is nowhere to go. Absolutely no evidence of any killer escaping via that path, east, south or north. Every piece of forensic evidence contained NW and W.

Off the lane in Easthouse's the wall is completely broken away, an area that this couple used to enter that strip of woodland. An area that LM had walked down with others, through the strip of woodland to that V break, over and on to that path. LM denied he had ever been in there before, he denied all knowledge of those breaks in the wall. Initials also found where he had carved their name into a tree. The winging it, and admitting to then only going so far down once confronted with those intitials. So yes, he had been in Easthouse's, walking down through that woodland strip with Jodi into an area off the beaten track -----------

The burn (Ochre,as above), running through the area where the attack happened. No idea to suitablilty of substance for washing, his hair had appeared wet/gelled in the F&W sighting. If someone had walked past LM, directly beside him, then perhaps they would have picked up far more detail, sometimes people simply expect too much, red against khaki? How much, how little? We simply do not know, only LM would have been aware of what was strikingly visible upon those clothes. He did not cross that road hoping to be seen, crossing it without a doubt whilst no cars were in sight, one appeared and he stops in his track. Before he had the chance to make it into further cover. It is a car driving past and it is not a stand alone sighting. Kicking himself? saying 'dam', I should have taken that coat off before crossing that road, who knows?

So your question around time and what had to have happened in that time frame. The clean of anything upon his actual person, the change of clothing. I allowed for LM to go home, we do not know to what level this murder may have been premeditated, only LM will know this. If at all he had to go home at this point. But he has ample means, unlike the RDW it is a denser area next to his housing scheme. An area he would know intimately, that is simply a given. Not just from walking his dog, but a young  lad growing up right next to it. He is not going to be keeping to the beaten track, he is attempting to not be seen. And knowledge to whether he had or not been seen. Again this winging it, to see what would transpire. Such as stating he had arrived home at 9pm that evening and stayed home, he was seen arriving home around 10pm. Winging it.

So the burn and the river with many places along it's length in those woods, that LM knew intimately. What kind of example can be given here? How's about he has already taken that coat off upon entering those woods, perhaps directly after being seen by F&W, we do not know. But he had the most natural source ever around him, to get blood off his person, hopefully before he is seen. My goodness, how long to dunk your head completely under water, really give it a good old rubbing/clean/rinse, repeating this process 4/5/6 times in succession? How dirty does one think he is going to be after this? With blood, with anything? This is not a burn, it is a clean flowing source of water. Seen? Risk of being seen? Choice, blood or washing, or washed?

So he gets the whack of this off him, he has no coat on, he makes his way as discretely as is feasible to his home. He is armed with knowledge, he has not passed anyone, no cars passed whilst going into his garden. A neighbour may have seen him, he doesn't know, he simply has to wing it as with the rest.

Choices? he has met with that girl, he has killed her, he can only do as much as is possible in a very short period of time. He has natural source and cover surrounding him. He is intelligent and without a doubt forensically aware. No calling mother to get into any car, he is going to be claiming to be home, why would he have phoned her? Contaminating a car, contaminating his home - When he does not have to.

So assuming he is the killer, and I certainly believe he is, without a doubt factually guilty and proved in law to be so. Has murdered and carried out those horrific post mortem injuries. This is not normal, this is not someone who is going to be panicking, upset, this is cold and to them clear thinking, doing what they had to do in an attempt to cover it up. It was never going to be easy, those wheels in motion unable to be derailed.

It does not sit rational in mind at all, does it? Not simply that this happened, we then have to enter into that alibi, the rational behind a person aiding another? So many things that are abhorant to mind. I have absolutely no idea what tale he told to his mother that day, there is no point in guessing.

You mention about risk, being seen, arriving to the house, bloodied? Small windows of time, fortunate? To the opposite end of the scale. Once that call was logged from 5:32pm, attempting to place LM where he claimed to be, works at around 75mins of not being seen. Not even by his own brother exiting that estate. To a couple of minutes max working his way from a density of that woodland into his house? He puts himself on that road for a very short period of time, and he is seen several times. That is reality here.

Did LM walk up RDP to get to Easthouses? Not seen, or walk up through RDW, we simply do not know. Then we move to LK who cycled up that path, not seen. Risk, choice, luck and on it goes. Ubelievable, impossible? - He was found guilty for a reason, many reasons around that circumstantial evidnence.

Just rereading this. You say that the Ochre burn ran through the area where the attack happened but from what I can see from maps of the area that isn’t so. As far as I can see youhave to cross the Newbattle road to get to the Ochre burn so Luke would have had no opportunity to wash before he stepped into the view of those in that stream of traffic, stopping and starting as a result of the roadworks. Wet/gelled hair…from where? If I am correct, and perhaps those living close to the area can verify, he had no access to water before crossing that road.

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Re: False Alibi.
« Reply #64 on: July 17, 2022, 04:09:PM »
Just rereading this. You say that the Ochre burn ran through the area where the attack happened but from what I can see from maps of the area that isn’t so. As far as I can see youhave to cross the Newbattle road to get to the Ochre burn so Luke would have had no opportunity to wash before he stepped into the view of those in that stream of traffic, stopping and starting as a result of the roadworks. Wet/gelled hair…from where? If I am correct, and perhaps those living close to the area can verify, he had no access to water before crossing that road.

Roadworks do NOT = "stream of traffic." Neither does your post give near enough of anything as to where on this mile long r'd they were. Simply could have been a narrow stretch surrounded by cones. What does CM say about them? Nonsense dramatics as usual.

Unless you can highlight what else those blue lines are that clearly run in some form of channel under paths/roads and so forth, then the ones I am looking at appear certainly to join with the Ochre Burn from one side to the other. Like any burn, these can at points represent no more than boggy ground/marsh depending on rainfall. I stated that I had no idea of viability of substance at the time of the murder. So what do we do here Faith? Scrub out any source and go with your one and only black and white image.

For we are agreed, it was LM that they saw, they got his identity correct. You however just scrub out wooden gate for sitting on a wall, light boots to dark, khaki green to shiny olive green and on this goes. In place of them not picking up blood splatter, a dark brown (red against dark green) against that khaki green, that is the reality here, It was LM. There was no blazing sunshine, they were caught in his stance, his actions, he was staring at the ground trying to avoid contact. The were passing and he looked their way and he was caught in the mirror. And as misfortune struck that poor girl that day, fortune dealt that blow back with him being seen.

So, not and never some bright red anywhere, it is not what would show against khaki green, it was not paint. His hair lank/greasy/wet/gelled looking, which could have been a mixture of anything here. So yes, there was no bright red face painted in blood, it was LM. How long does it take to use any source he could have acquired, to dampen his t-shirt/top to wipe away at his coupon Faith? Stop trying to apply he had to step in and out of a hot shower here.  And as stated (once on the other side), and logic applied by everyone when they place the killer as someone else, that natural clear water source to clean up in, just not LM of course! - Behave.



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« Reply #65 on: July 17, 2022, 11:10:PM »
Roadworks do NOT = "stream of traffic." Neither does your post give near enough of anything as to where on this mile long r'd they were. Simply could have been a narrow stretch surrounded by cones. What does CM say about them? Nonsense dramatics as usual.

Unless you can highlight what else those blue lines are that clearly run in some form of channel under paths/roads and so forth, then the ones I am looking at appear certainly to join with the Ochre Burn from one side to the other. Like any burn, these can at points represent no more than boggy ground/marsh depending on rainfall. I stated that I had no idea of viability of substance at the time of the murder. So what do we do here Faith? Scrub out any source and go with your one and only black and white image.

For we are agreed, it was LM that they saw, they got his identity correct. You however just scrub out wooden gate for sitting on a wall, light boots to dark, khaki green to shiny olive green and on this goes. In place of them not picking up blood splatter, a dark brown (red against dark green) against that khaki green, that is the reality here, It was LM. There was no blazing sunshine, they were caught in his stance, his actions, he was staring at the ground trying to avoid contact. The were passing and he looked their way and he was caught in the mirror. And as misfortune struck that poor girl that day, fortune dealt that blow back with him being seen.

So, not and never some bright red anywhere, it is not what would show against khaki green, it was not paint. His hair lank/greasy/wet/gelled looking, which could have been a mixture of anything here. So yes, there was no bright red face painted in blood, it was LM. How long does it take to use any source he could have acquired, to dampen his t-shirt/top to wipe away at his coupon Faith? Stop trying to apply he had to step in and out of a hot shower here.  And as stated (once on the other side), and logic applied by everyone when they place the killer as someone else, that natural clear water source to clean up in, just not LM of course! - Behave.

What does CM say about them? No idea. It was Rosemary Walsh who brought the roadworks to the police’s attention in her statement of 6th of July. What importance that detail had we can only guess but we can extrapolate that if it was important enough to bring it to the police’s attention she must have thought that it was significant in some way.

As to the Ochre burn I have looked further into where it flowed ect and there was a tributary which ran parallel to the RDP at its Newbattle end but having looked a footage of the area it is, as you say, little more than boggy ground. Of course if the 2003 summer had been particularly wet it may have held more water but not enough, even then, to wash hair, hands etc. The tributary is also visible to anyone walking the path, and that’s something Luke couldn’t plan for. If you would like to see the footage of the tributary I can post it here.

We are absolutely agreed that all the witnesses at the Newbattle end between 17.45 to 18.20-30 saw Luke Mitchell and we don’t have to scrub out anything, just add slightly more to the picture. Rosemary Walsh’s first statement claimed her sighting’s jacket may have been waterproof. This could of course be describing Luke’s shiny bomber jacket. Fleming described the jacket as green or dark green but never khaki. Luke himself admitted walking down as far as Barndale Cottages while he was waiting for Jodi. Heatlie, O’Sullivan et al describe seeing him along that stretch of road, in the opening to a driveway. Was the gate seen by Walsh and Fleming, and the youth standing there, just between the end of Newbattle Abbey Crescent and Barndale Cottages? Where the witnesses describing the same area? As to the discrepancies in the descriptions wasn’t it you yourself who said that it was ridiculous to expect witnesses recollections to be 100%?

And to your last paragraph..didn’t you have Luke washing his hair in the almost non-existent brook before being seen by Walsh and Fleming…the wet/gelled hair…or is it just his ‘coupon’ now? Further if the killer was someone else they had a multitude of secluded routes back to home. It was only Luke who needed shoehorned into a rigid story of time and place.



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« Reply #66 on: July 29, 2022, 02:28:PM »
You have to wonder that IF Luke was wearing a parka and IF he had gone to the extraordinary lengths needed to rid himself of damning DNA and IF he had been making every effort not to be recognised why he just didn’t put up his hood?

Seems a no brainer really. Pop up the hood of the parka so it covers your hair, face and any blood spatter that you’ve been unable to avoid in those areas ( much speedier and less conspicuous than trying to wash your hair in a burn.) Cross directly across from the Newbattle Road entrance to RDP into the woodland (why walk tens of metres up the road where there is the chance you’ll be seen) and Bob’s your uncle. Of course all blood spatter couldn’t be hidden but if no one can identify you, why worry?

If, of course, time was of the essence.
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« Reply #67 on: July 30, 2022, 04:09:PM »
Firstly:

We do not choose better secluded routes for anyone making their way home, we follow the forensic trail picked up by specialist equipment then the dogs.

Nothing picked up by the high tech equipment going N/NE/E/SE/S nor SW. It was W and NW = Newbattle. Then, we do not ignore that further trails were picked up over Newbattle Road into that other area of woodland. We do not apply bleaching anywhere to make dogs go in one direction only. We apply again what was picked up by the equipment prior to the dogs being brought in. Erasing the utter BS of 'They bleached the scene to make the dogs go one way'

Glad we still have LM where he was, at the one and only kerbside gate, exactly where the two ladies saw him. Not several hundred meters down, several meters in off the roadside, placing him yet again, somewhere he never claimed to be, at someone's driveway gates far in off the road. He claimed to go to the cottages to see if he could see Jodi, not walk all the way into them. But you re-write most of anything anyway, so we can simply say here, carry on as you will anyway.

We do not apply that he should have had his hood up, we apply the fact it was down. LM is the only person with the answer here. Who knows Faith? Running over that road at haste, the hood falls back, a car is coming over the brow of the hill and he stops in his tracks, head down. What exactly is it you are expecting here from this killer? That in that split second he should have chosen your perfection, rushed to pull the hood back up if it had fallen down? - Behave yourself.

Time and this utter BS of the police shoehorning the only time they could to fit this lad up for murder - And again, have a word, behave yourself. Time is as it was, we can not change time Faith, so we apply reality of time. A mile walked at a brisk pace is the reality of time LM had to initially change/briefly clean. We think what is actually achievable in our day to day lives of what can be done in X amount of time.

QC asked the question around the Maryburn, I believe? I have always maintained the fresh flowing water of the Esk. But of your hood and up, which has been applied many times to when LM was actually carrying the murder out, using whatever means, to prevent as best possible, transfer to his actual self. Did he have ample means to clean his 'coupon' up a bit in the RDW? And again, and repeatedly, I have stated, absolutely no idea of suitability of anything. Crossed that road, without a doubt a haste, a risk that had to be taken, and a car came. His head down - Stop having this utter fallacy applied, constantly of someone shining bright red! - Utter nonsense.

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« Reply #68 on: July 31, 2022, 12:50:AM »
Firstly:

We do not choose better secluded routes for anyone making their way home, we follow the forensic trail picked up by specialist equipment then the dogs.

Nothing picked up by the high tech equipment going N/NE/E/SE/S nor SW. It was W and NW = Newbattle. Then, we do not ignore that further trails were picked up over Newbattle Road into that other area of woodland. We do not apply bleaching anywhere to make dogs go in one direction only. We apply again what was picked up by the equipment prior to the dogs being brought in. Erasing the utter BS of 'They bleached the scene to make the dogs go one way'

Glad we still have LM where he was, at the one and only kerbside gate, exactly where the two ladies saw him. Not several hundred meters down, several meters in off the roadside, placing him yet again, somewhere he never claimed to be, at someone's driveway gates far in off the road. He claimed to go to the cottages to see if he could see Jodi, not walk all the way into them. But you re-write most of anything anyway, so we can simply say here, carry on as you will anyway.

We do not apply that he should have had his hood up, we apply the fact it was down. LM is the only person with the answer here. Who knows Faith? Running over that road at haste, the hood falls back, a car is coming over the brow of the hill and he stops in his tracks, head down. What exactly is it you are expecting here from this killer? That in that split second he should have chosen your perfection, rushed to pull the hood back up if it had fallen down? - Behave yourself.

Time and this utter BS of the police shoehorning the only time they could to fit this lad up for murder - And again, have a word, behave yourself. Time is as it was, we can not change time Faith, so we apply reality of time. A mile walked at a brisk pace is the reality of time LM had to initially change/briefly clean. We think what is actually achievable in our day to day lives of what can be done in X amount of time.

QC asked the question around the Maryburn, I believe? I have always maintained the fresh flowing water of the Esk. But of your hood and up, which has been applied many times to when LM was actually carrying the murder out, using whatever means, to prevent as best possible, transfer to his actual self. Did he have ample means to clean his 'coupon' up a bit in the RDW? And again, and repeatedly, I have stated, absolutely no idea of suitability of anything. Crossed that road, without a doubt a haste, a risk that had to be taken, and a car came. His head down - Stop having this utter fallacy applied, constantly of someone shining bright red! - Utter nonsense.

While I have much to take issue with in your first point it is beyond doubt that the crime scene was so compromised in so many ways that any evidence gleaned from it was, understandably, open to interpretation.

Now let’s look at your claim that Luke was seen to be standing at a ‘kerbside’ gate (naughty, naughty). Neither Walsh nor Fleming described it as such….they described it simply as a wooden gate. As to Fleming and Walsh’s estimation of the the distance to their sighting from RDP, we know from the testimony of the jogger herself seen by the pair just after they had seen Luke that she was 400 yards away from where Fleming and Walsh said they’d seen her at the time when they said that they’d seen her. Therefore it is more than likely that the same happened with Luke. Memory is fallible. It makes more sense that Fleming/Walsh saw Luke at the wooden gate a small way past Barondale Cottages and the jogger just after at the entrance to Newbattle Abbey Crescent where she said she joined Newbattle Road at around 17.40.

The photograph I posted earlier are of wooden gates situated between the end of Newbattle Abbey Crescent and Barondale Cottages and Luke would certainly have been passed them if he went as far as Barondale cottages. Further contrary to your claim several independent witnesses identified Luke as either in a driveway or at a driveway.

Carol Heatlie.

“ Ms Heatlie said she first saw the youth at the driveway which is close to the entrance to Mitchell's home in Newbattle Abbey Crescent.

She said: 'He was standing on the pavement and down the road.When he saw my car, he quickly stepped back into the driveway out of my view.

'The fact he stepped back made me wonder what he was doing. I slowed down and watched what he was doing and looked into the driveway. ”


Andrew Holburn, Dean Houston and Grant Elliot.

 “Mr Holburn, 18, a photography student, told the court he and his friends were cycling on Newbattle Road towards the Jewel and Esk College in the evening of Monday June 30.

He said they saw Mr Mitchell standing at an entrance to a driveway before Newbattle Abbey Crescent, where the accused lived. He said they would have cycled past at about 5.55pm or 6pm.

The witness said he saw a young man, whom he did not recognise, standing at a break in a wall. Mr Holburn asked his friends, who attend St David's High School in Dalkeith, who the young man was.

''What was the answer?'' he was asked in court. ''Luke Mitchell,'' the witness replied.

Grant Elliot and Dean Houston, both 15, confirmed to the court that they had seen Mr Mitchell on that evening in June. All three identified the accused in the dock at the High Court in Edinburgh.

Dean said that he occasionally cycled to school with Mr Mitchell, and Grant said the accused was still standing at the same spot as he made his return journey home some 20 minutes to half-an-hour later”

Marion O’Sullivan.

“ Marion O'Sullivan, 36, told the trial that she saw a male who looked "suspicious" standing at a pathway entrance on Newbattle Road, Dalkeith, just before 6pm on the day Jodi died.

She said the man, who was in his "late teens or early 20s", was wearing a green bomber jacket and dark jeans.

As to ‘running over that road at haste’ Walsh and Fleming’s sighting was not seen running across the road but standing, minding his own business at a place, so we are told, several hundred metres across from the entrance to RDP. Or do you think he scaled that embankment parallel to where the youth was allegedly seen standing and ran from there? Why would he take that risk when he could, within seconds, exit RDP at its Newbattle entrance, cross the road and slip through the gap between the wall and the fence which was almost parallel with that entrance. Wouldn’t that be the easiest, and more importantly, safest route for a murderer? The hood falls, it immediately gets pulled back up, this is life or death for this young man.
 
Washing in either the Mayburn, Esk ( no matter how free flowing) or indeed Ochre, all have all sorts of microorganisms living in them yet none were identified on Luke’s hair or any part of his body. Another anomaly?

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« Reply #69 on: July 31, 2022, 03:13:PM »
The photograph I posted earlier are of wooden gates situated between the end of Newbattle Abbey Crescent and Barondale Cottages

Thanks for posting the photo, providing the evidence that there is NO wooden gate there. Much appreciated.



He said they would have cycled past at about 5.55pm or 6pm.

You have skipped ahead 20 minutes, we know he was standing there, trying to be seen. It is 20 minutes before, but you knew that, right?
Why would he take that risk when he could, within seconds, exit RDP at its Newbattle entrance, cross the road and slip through the gap between the wall and the fence which was almost parallel with that entrance. Wouldn’t that be the easiest, and more importantly, safest route for a murderer? The hood falls, it immediately gets pulled back up, this is life or death for this young man.

You are quick to post photos of non-existent gates. Let post a photo of this entrance "a gap between the wall & fence" PARALLEL with the entrance to RDP. The hood falls off very quickly with that claim, i'm so confidant you cannot do it. I'll make a donation of £250 to a charity.


Washing in either the Mayburn, Esk ( no matter how free flowing) or indeed Ochre, all have all sorts of microorganisms living in them yet none were identified on Luke’s hair or any part of his body. Another anomaly?

I'm no biologist. But i'm pretty sure micro organisms live and grow on us 24-7, whether we are clean or not. What is the process forensics takes regarding micro organisms? Are they trained to look for these things? Or do they call in a biologist? Found on murderers or victims? How do they know, where that organism came from, how it got there, and how can it possibly be used in defence or prosecution. Since you are a biologist, i'm sure these questions will be easy for you.

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« Reply #70 on: July 31, 2022, 04:23:PM »
Thanks for posting the photo, providing the evidence that there is NO wooden gate there. Much appreciated.



You have skipped ahead 20 minutes, we know he was standing there, trying to be seen. It is 20 minutes before, but you knew that, right?
You are quick to post photos of non-existent gates. Let post a photo of this entrance "a gap between the wall & fence" PARALLEL with the entrance to RDP. The hood falls off very quickly with that claim, i'm so confidant you cannot do it. I'll make a donation of £250 to a charity.


I'm no biologist. But i'm pretty sure micro organisms live and grow on us 24-7, whether we are clean or not. What is the process forensics takes regarding micro organisms? Are they trained to look for these things? Or do they call in a biologist? Found on murderers or victims? How do they know, where that organism came from, how it got there, and how can it possibly be used in defence or prosecution. Since you are a biologist, i'm sure these questions will be easy for you.

Your first point…can I point you to reply #65?

Your second point….irrelevant. That Luke was standing at the same driveway 20-30 minutes after his friends from school had first seen him opens up the possibility that he had been at that spot for quite some time.

Your third point…that’ll be the photograph in reply #13 which shows the gap between the end of the stone wall and the beginning of the fencing on the left hand side which is ALMOST parallel with the entrance to RDP. Tell me why you think that if he could have slipped through this gap and into the woodland Luke would choose to go several hundred more feet up that road, with it’s obvious risk of being seen, to be spotted at THAT gate by  Fleming and Walsh?

Your fourth point…I don’t think you have to be a biologist to know that the microorganisms that live on our skins are different to those that live in water and that any forensic scientist worth his salt would be able to spot the difference. Of course expert opinion would also have been sought if necessary. If water breathing microorganisms etc had been found on Luke’s skin or hair then I would assume samples would be taken from all sources of natural water around the murder site and the microorganisms etc found in those samples would be compared to those taken from Luke. If they matched that alone wouldn’t prove Luke’s guilt but it would be another brick in the circumstantial case against him. That I have to explain this to you is the main reason why I don’t have any great faith in our jury system.


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« Reply #71 on: July 31, 2022, 05:40:PM »
Your first point…can I point you to reply #65?

Reply 65 is just waffle. There is no wooden gate at the cottage.

Your second point….irrelevant.

Is it? That 20 minutes of his timeline, he was not seen? After he murdered JJ. Yea irrelevant.

Your third point…that’ll be the photograph in reply #13 which shows the gap between the end of the stone wall and the beginning of the fencing on the left hand side which is ALMOST parallel with the entrance to RDP

Still cannot see the gap from that photo. Was the 2 millimetre gap there in 2003? You're posting screenshots from today's google maps. We know parts of the fence has been altered since.

microorganisms

Probably best you stop waffling about micro organisms, it is clearly out of your depth. 


And while i'm here. Look up the definition of the word parallel. Your 2 millimetre gap is 20 meters away from the entrance to RDP. Hardly parallel.

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« Reply #72 on: July 31, 2022, 06:59:PM »
I've lost track of some of this thread. I was just thinking with songs with lyrics such as A friend in need's a friend indeed/ A friend with weed is better it's no surprise a minority of youth end up as damaged as Luke Michell, not to mention the broken home and an obsessive interest in the Devil.

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« Reply #73 on: July 31, 2022, 07:48:PM »
Reply 65 is just waffle. There is no wooden gate at the cottage.

Is it? That 20 minutes of his timeline, he was not seen? After he murdered JJ. Yea irrelevant.

Still cannot see the gap from that photo. Was the 2 millimetre gap there in 2003? You're posting screenshots from today's google maps. We know parts of the fence has been altered since.

Probably best you stop waffling about micro organisms, it is clearly out of your depth. 


And while i'm here. Look up the definition of the word parallel. Your 2 millimetre gap is 20 meters away from the entrance to RDP. Hardly parallel.

Firstly the photograph (#65) I previously posted is not the driveway up to Barondale Cottage  but a driveway between the cottage and the entrance to Newbattle Abbey Crescent. As can be clearly seen it does have a wooden gate.

20 minutes? Multiple witnesses would dispute that.

I’ll post a photo of the area again. The gap can be seen quite clearly and the fact that it is ALMOST parallel with the entrance to RDP. Was the fence like that in 2003…no idea but as can be clearly seen it wouldn’t have been hard for a fit young man to jump either the wall next to the fence or the fence itself. There is absolutely no plausible reason for someone who doesn’t wish to be seen to increase the risk of that very event by proceeding up that road further than he actually needed. Can you think of one?

As to my spelling, is that really the hill you wish to die on……oh okay then….

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microorganism
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« Reply #74 on: July 31, 2022, 10:53:PM »
Still no gap. Need to do better.