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Offline Playfair1

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Re: False Alibi.
« Reply #45 on: July 07, 2022, 12:59:PM »
The law did do the right thing. A murderer off our streets, a stone-cold psychopathic killer off our streets.

Is this your view on anybody who tries to clear their name of a crime , what about all the miscarriages that have been overturned through years of campaigning or DNA evidence coming to light , you do talk some nonsense Dave.  How safe are we with the likes of you who would rather not address issues with our justice system and tell people a murderer is off our streets eg Napper/stag , Kiszko/ castree to name but 2 , you would have been the person telling them to hang them a jury of their peers found them guilty .  I have said it before attitudes like yours ensures dangerous people are allowed to continue and tally up more victims, shameful and uneducated reply

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« Reply #46 on: July 07, 2022, 05:08:PM »
Except that didn’t happen.

Except it did happen. Prove me wrong !!!!

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« Reply #47 on: July 07, 2022, 05:11:PM »
Is this your view on anybody who tries to clear their name of a crime , what about all the miscarriages that have been overturned through years of campaigning or DNA evidence coming to light , you do talk some nonsense Dave.  How safe are we with the likes of you who would rather not address issues with our justice system and tell people a murderer is off our streets eg Napper/stag , Kiszko/ castree to name but 2 , you would have been the person telling them to hang them a jury of their peers found them guilty .  I have said it before attitudes like yours ensures dangerous people are allowed to continue and tally up more victims, shameful and uneducated reply

For crying out loud, what is it with these burner accounts and their gaslighting?


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« Reply #48 on: July 07, 2022, 06:39:PM »
Except it did happen. Prove me wrong !!!!

The truth is the truth.l.no need to prove it.

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« Reply #49 on: July 08, 2022, 04:43:PM »
The truth is the truth.l.no need to prove it.

Have you bought the new bible yet, faith?

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« Reply #50 on: July 08, 2022, 06:47:PM »
A brief rundown (? I know) The facts surrounding the alibi time. The clear conflicting accounts whereby when checked, some were verified repeatedly. LM's were not. That was the difference in these imaginary sides LM's chief enable has created. No time for this nonsense of no other people were investigated. Those contradictions of almost being able to tell you the colour of someone's underwear from the masses of statements taken!

As we know, LM did not have an alibi, there was without a doubt a concoction of events that had been put in place. These that ran in harmony between two people who had not spoken since that claimed discovery. Not and never that there was a missing 10 mins, it was neatly laid out to cover 35-40 mins, those sightings and the point in which the murder took place. SM, and it does not matter the deflection used, did not see his brother upon his arrival home (he checked), not through that period of time, and not when he exited that estate just after 5:30pm.

Five people saw LM that day at points he claimed never to have been. Three on either side of that path who positively identified LM by person. The other two at the entrance to the woods, who got every detail of LM's clothing down to a T. They could not identify him as being the person. Different focal points for different people in different surroundings. It is still five people, at different locations that LM claimed he was not at.

The only person who had restrictions upon their time was Jodi Jones. In the two weeks before her death, what had been a full grounding had been swapped for another form of punishment. (Verified by many people inclusive of her friends). Set chores to do daily in exchange for her freedom, the deal (exchange), was that If she carried out those chores then off she could go, spend her evenings with her boyfriend from a certain time. This had been around 6pm on school nights. Time to get home, do whatever chores, have dinner and off. There had been no restrictions placed upon LM coming to her home to wait. It was told that even at points when fully grounded he could still visit with her.

Jodi's phone had been broken, there was nothing brought forward that showed they contacted each other in the evenings to make arrangements. Set without a doubt during school hours, for around 6pm. That day brought a change, upon her arrival home from school her mother had lifted all punishment, her time once more her own. Getting herself ready she then made contact with LM, borrowed her mothers phone to do so. The last text exchanged and Jodi was ready to leave and her mother held her back a few minutes, she was then running late. Tying in with LM phoning the speaking clock at 4:54pm.

And again verified by others. Of still being on punishment whilst at school. A friend she shared her bus journey with gave evidence as such at trial. Tying in with the account told by her mother. Also, AO's had arrived home from work and there was music playing, Jodi was in the lounge with her mother. It was that request to listen to some song that held Jodi back. He had also told the police that he did not go directly home, he had stopped to fuel the car up. Seeing Jodi when he arrived home, he went to the "loo," the music stopped and the front door closing. Jodi had left whilst he was in the toilet. It was by timing all these factors, tying them together, that Jodi's time of leaving home was ascertained. Working from that start point of AO's on CCTV from the filling station.

All in contrast to the story that LM was telling to the police. Then we had that Jodi had told her mother that they would be "mucking about up here" (Easthouse's/Mayfield). LM claiming the meeting was to take place in Newbattle. Also, that there had been a ban put in place of Jodi using that path alone. (Again verified by many others). In contrast with a lad who denied any knowledge of this, that he was doing the opposite, waiting on his girlfriend arriving on the other side of this path. But not simply on the other side of it, he claimed to have went nowhere near it, hanging around in one area, in what transpired to have been around 90mins. Simply idling and waiting, twiddling his thumbs.

Clear conflicting accounts that when checked showed that one set of people without a doubt were being completely honest and upfront. Backed with statement after statement from other people. This is not about whether a girl may have disobeyed her mother, it is about telling the truth. She had been on punishment, it had been relaxed and exchanged. She had still been on that punishment at school that day. There had been a ban placed on using that path. Any prior arrangement had changed. The time brought forward. Contacting only one person and leaving home shortly after this contact to meet with him.

So, and again, not and never a missing 10 mins, of simply being confused and not believed. There was nothing placing LM home and mountains of other evidence showing that he was lying, repeatedly. That meeting was brought forward, they met and LM was seen by AB. Then we tie in that there was absolutely no evidence of this girl wandering anywhere else or into that woodland alone for absolutely no coherent reason to place here. She did frequent that woodland with LM, and every single piece of evidence was of that attack commencing and finishing with a specific area. NW to W of that break in the wall. Jodi Jones, without a doubt had walked into that area with her boyfriend.

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« Reply #51 on: July 08, 2022, 09:40:PM »
Guilty as they come.

Offline Steve_uk

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« Reply #52 on: July 08, 2022, 10:17:PM »
Do you think the murder was premeditated or a spur of the moment random attack of violence?

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« Reply #53 on: July 09, 2022, 10:59:AM »
Do you think the murder was premeditated or a spur of the moment random attack of violence?

We can only go around the evidence. LM had no way of knowing that Jodi would be out earlier that day, but he did know that only a very select few would/could know of this change. It was learning of the change, contacting him and leaving home shortly after to meet with him. Did he use the change of time as an opportunity to cover from anything he may have had planned? - Only he can know this.

Prepped and ready in mind? It would be foolish to apply that this type of killing was simply a one off reaction to some argument. We can only enter into multiple IMO's here. Not something I am comfortable with, it is one thing relating the actual evidence that convicted him, applying the unknown something entirely different.

What we do know, that without a doubt this type of killing held his interest, within days of the murder he was viewing a DVD which depicted the brutal killing and mutilation of a young female, left naked and displayed in a woodland. That type of viewing does not get much closer to home.

I have before mentioned David Wilson whilst talking of other killers. Peter Manual and how his nature was to control the interviews with the police. Plying them with information only the killer could know, speaking in those 'flat affect' tones. Exactly how LM was, plying the police with information only the killer could know, able to take control easily.

That of 'Jack the Ripper' Talking of his first victim. Of risk and needing to silence their victim rapidly, using the exact method in this case. Going on to de-humanize and de-face their victim. The horrific post mortem injuries in their infancy of a first kill. Limited due to time and risk. Progressing into far worse as he obtained more victims. In short, telling us that such a horrific killing is not necessarily indictive of someone who has killed many times before, it was indictive of someone's first killing that would progress into worse.

This was not a simple reactive act of anger, nor the simple application of a knife being used in a crime. We can't say X,Y or Z were also killed by knives and apply them as being the same. Perfectly described by DW as being in it's infancy. there have been no further killings with this clear type of MO. So this question around being pre-mediated IMO, is certainly that this had been thought through in mind, played over. Initially reactive in lashing out then following through with far worse,  and without a doubt limited by time and risk.

Faith has applied the 'rookie mistake' of buying a coat like that he was seen wearing that day, within no time of the murder. This was bought after that initial search, no arrest had been made. LM by this point had two people attempting to give him an alibi. There would be no murder weapon or clothing ever found. Was LM, like that DVD keeping something closer to home, attempting to replace something should the police then begin to ask about it? We do not know, certainly foiled with the FLO waiting on their arrival home from shopping. Letting LM know without a doubt, that his alibi and disposal of evidence was not going to be enough at that point.

So this 'rookie mistake' of a first time killer? Waits until he truly believes he has gotten away with this, managed to outsmart the police, and he buys that replacement knife. I am not making this up, LM was out "celebrating the end of a difficult time" - So, buying this replacement knife, already has that coat as a reminder, it is still around four months until his arrest. IMO LM was very much planning his next victim in that time frame. He had without a doubt by this point believed fully there would be no arrest. - Not because he was innocent, because he knew he had two people with that alibi, no forensic evidence, these were his 'rookie mistake' Being cock sure of himself. IMO.

So it is the simple facts, no further killings anything like what had happened to Jodi Jones that day. Not similar and progressed into something far worse. Without a doubt indictive of the killer being off the streets. There is still so much more to this case that has been hidden, manipulated around. This 'other' case being touted out, is just that, another case entirely. Re-written into something else that has very little bearing upon the actual truth. A psychological approach of deflection, to draw away from the evidence that convicted LM and attempt to show self interest in others - The irony, of a killer who did nothing other than act out of self interest, incessantly lying and winging their way through the aftermath.

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« Reply #54 on: July 09, 2022, 11:35:AM »
For what motive did he commit the crime? Had he no further use for her once Kimberley Thomson had superseded her? Had fantasy taken over from reality once Jodi could be dispensed with? Was his justification that he wished to punish her family for keeping them apart?
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« Reply #55 on: July 09, 2022, 03:36:PM »
We can only go around the evidence. LM had no way of knowing that Jodi would be out earlier that day, but he did know that only a very select few would/could know of this change. It was learning of the change, contacting him and leaving home shortly after to meet with him. Did he use the change of time as an opportunity to cover from anything he may have had planned? - Only he can know this.

Prepped and ready in mind? It would be foolish to apply that this type of killing was simply a one off reaction to some argument. We can only enter into multiple IMO's here. Not something I am comfortable with, it is one thing relating the actual evidence that convicted him, applying the unknown something entirely different.

What we do know, that without a doubt this type of killing held his interest, within days of the murder he was viewing a DVD which depicted the brutal killing and mutilation of a young female, left naked and displayed in a woodland. That type of viewing does not get much closer to home.

I have before mentioned David Wilson whilst talking of other killers. Peter Manual and how his nature was to control the interviews with the police. Plying them with information only the killer could know, speaking in those 'flat affect' tones. Exactly how LM was, plying the police with information only the killer could know, able to take control easily.

That of 'Jack the Ripper' Talking of his first victim. Of risk and needing to silence their victim rapidly, using the exact method in this case. Going on to de-humanize and de-face their victim. The horrific post mortem injuries in their infancy of a first kill. Limited due to time and risk. Progressing into far worse as he obtained more victims. In short, telling us that such a horrific killing is not necessarily indictive of someone who has killed many times before, it was indictive of someone's first killing that would progress into worse.

This was not a simple reactive act of anger, nor the simple application of a knife being used in a crime. We can't say X,Y or Z were also killed by knives and apply them as being the same. Perfectly described by DW as being in it's infancy. there have been no further killings with this clear type of MO. So this question around being pre-mediated IMO, is certainly that this had been thought through in mind, played over. Initially reactive in lashing out then following through with far worse,  and without a doubt limited by time and risk.

Faith has applied the 'rookie mistake' of buying a coat like that he was seen wearing that day, within no time of the murder. This was bought after that initial search, no arrest had been made. LM by this point had two people attempting to give him an alibi. There would be no murder weapon or clothing ever found. Was LM, like that DVD keeping something closer to home, attempting to replace something should the police then begin to ask about it? We do not know, certainly foiled with the FLO waiting on their arrival home from shopping. Letting LM know without a doubt, that his alibi and disposal of evidence was not going to be enough at that point.

So this 'rookie mistake' of a first time killer? Waits until he truly believes he has gotten away with this, managed to outsmart the police, and he buys that replacement knife. I am not making this up, LM was out "celebrating the end of a difficult time" - So, buying this replacement knife, already has that coat as a reminder, it is still around four months until his arrest. IMO LM was very much planning his next victim in that time frame. He had without a doubt by this point believed fully there would be no arrest. - Not because he was innocent, because he knew he had two people with that alibi, no forensic evidence, these were his 'rookie mistake' Being cock sure of himself. IMO.

So it is the simple facts, no further killings anything like what had happened to Jodi Jones that day. Not similar and progressed into something far worse. Without a doubt indictive of the killer being off the streets. There is still so much more to this case that has been hidden, manipulated around. This 'other' case being touted out, is just that, another case entirely. Re-written into something else that has very little bearing upon the actual truth. A psychological approach of deflection, to draw away from the evidence that convicted LM and attempt to show self interest in others - The irony, of a killer who did nothing other than act out of self interest, incessantly lying and winging their way through the aftermath.

“ We can only enter into multiple IMO's here. Not something I am comfortable with, it is one thing relating the actual evidence that convicted him, applying the unknown something entirely different.”

Irony may just have died.

As an aside a friend of mine who wrote a book with Wilson asked him if he thought Luke Mitchell guilty and, privately, he says that he has grave doubts about the safety of his conviction.

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« Reply #56 on: July 09, 2022, 08:31:PM »
“ We can only enter into multiple IMO's here. Not something I am comfortable with, it is one thing relating the actual evidence that convicted him, applying the unknown something entirely different.”

But you are comfortable with your preachers, IMO's.

Hypocrisy is a common trait of the disciples.


As an aside a friend of mine who wrote a book with Wilson asked him if he thought Luke Mitchell guilty and, privately, he says that he has grave doubts about the safety of his conviction.

As an aside a friend of mine who wrote a book with Wilson asked him if he thought Luke Mitchell guilty and, privately, he says that he is guilty, as they come, and is thankful the law got it right or he would have gone on to kill again.
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« Reply #57 on: July 10, 2022, 12:12:AM »
But you are comfortable with your preachers, IMO's.

Hypocrisy is a common trait of the disciples.


As an aside a friend of mine who wrote a book with Wilson asked him if he thought Luke Mitchell guilty and, privately, he says that he is guilty, as they come, and is thankful the law got it right or he would have gone on to kill again.

Except it’s believable that I really do have a friend…with you, not so much.

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« Reply #58 on: July 10, 2022, 01:17:PM »
Except it’s believable that I really do have a friend…with you, not so much.

Go away out and enjoy the sunshine will ye, instead of acting all childish on here. And as well as stalking parky across the web.



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« Reply #59 on: July 10, 2022, 02:41:PM »
Go away out and enjoy the sunshine will ye, instead of acting all childish on here. And as well as stalking parky across the web.

Dear oh dear….