Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:

[Rob_]

I thought Sheila was suicidal, why would she fight like an 80's action hero?

I was replying to your post in which JB is the perpetrator in which case she is not suicidal is she.

[Armchair Detective]

Come on Jane don't get like Adam please, imagine the situation: someone is holding a gun on you and tells you to lie down. Perhaps you comply because you think they are a just a petty burglar after a bit of cash, but would you if you knew you are going to be shot dead?

You would either run or fight there is no other option.

Come on Rob, if your terrified father woke you up in the middle of the night to tell you your schizophrenic sister had gone mad with a gun, would you instantly dial 999 and get over there or waste 20 minutes calling your girlfriend and thumbing through a phone book?

This case is really easy if we just use hindsight to judge the most sensible course of action for each of the protagonists.

NB? - would have dialled 999 rather than useless JB

June? Would have gotten out of bed, not lay there waiting to be shot...

[Adam]

What do you mean by "80s action hero"?  Isn't the point that Sheila might struggle and/or flee?  Jeremy needs to stage Sheila's suicide, which means she needs to be shot in a particular way.  If Sheila struggles, he risks injury.

You haven't answered my earlier questions.  Just to be clear, are you saying that you think the prosecution case depends on Sheila complying quietly with Jeremy?

He could control a struggling Sheila.

He had no visible injuries.

[snow66!]

I thought Sheila was suicidal, why would she fight like an 80's action hero?

Well,it was argued that Sheila was not suicidal and unlikely to have taken her own life.You cant have it all ways Armchair.

[Adam]

Come on Rob, if your terrified father woke you up in the middle of the night to tell you your schizophrenic sister had gone mad with a gun, would you instantly dial 999 and get over there or waste 20 minutes calling your girlfriend and thumbing through a phone book?

This case is really easy if we just use hindsight to judge the most sensible course of action for each of the protagonists.

NB? - would have dialled 999 rather than useless JB

June? Would have gotten out of bed, not lay there waiting to be shot...

A fully fit Nevill would have instantly taken the rifle.

[guest29835]

Come on Rob, if your terrified father woke you up in the middle of the night to tell you your schizophrenic sister had gone mad with a gun, would you instantly dial 999 and get over there or waste 20 minutes calling your girlfriend and thumbing through a phone book?

This case is really easy if we just use hindsight to judge the most sensible course of action for each of the protagonists.

NB? - would have dialled 999 rather than useless JB

June? Would have gotten out of bed, not lay there waiting to be shot...

Straying off topic.  These points have been debated at length on other threads.  'Would have'.  None of this is evidence.  It's just your own opinion about what the people involved should have done based on your interpretation of the situation.

[guest29835]

He could control a struggling Sheila.

He had no visible injuries.

How did he control her?

[Adam]

How did he control her?

By using his vastly superior strenght, motivation, coordination, alertness.

[Rob_]

Come on Rob, if your terrified father woke you up in the middle of the night to tell you your schizophrenic sister had gone mad with a gun, would you instantly dial 999 and get over there or waste 20 minutes calling your girlfriend and thumbing through a phone book?

This case is really easy if we just use hindsight to judge the most sensible course of action for each of the protagonists.

NB? - would have dialled 999 rather than useless JB

June? Would have gotten out of bed, not lay there waiting to be shot...

Lots of different questions there AD, but my point is if you know you are going to die you don't just lie down, so a gun itself will not guarantee compliance.

As for your other points if JB planned the crime for months and is just lying why not just dial 999 nothing stopping him?

[guest29835]

By using his vastly superior strenght, motivation, coordination, alertness.

How did he control her?

You haven't answered the question.

[guest29835]

Lots of different questions there AD, but my point is if you know you are going to die you don't just lie down, so a gun itself will not guarantee compliance.

As for your other points if JB planned the crime for months and is just lying why not just dial 999 nothing stopping him?

He might well "...waste 20 minutes calling [his] girlfriend and thumbing through a phone book" if he is innocent, as he might have wanted Sheila to kill them.

On the other hand, if he is guilty, then he knows everybody is dead, so why delay and why not dial 999?

[Adam]

How did he control her?

You haven't answered the question.

By using his vastly superior strenght, speed, motivation, coordination, alertness.

He was also fully clothed & holding a rifle.

Not sure what else he needed for a few seconds. But Sheila being docile & uncoordinated would be a bonus.

[Armchair Detective]

 

What do you mean by "80s action hero"?  Isn't the point that Sheila might struggle and/or flee?  Jeremy needs to stage Sheila's suicide, which means she needs to be shot in a particular way.  If Sheila struggles, he risks injury.

You haven't answered my earlier questions.  Just to be clear, are you saying that you think the prosecution case depends on Sheila complying quietly with Jeremy?

Who's to say that Sheila didn't freeze?

Who's to say that Sheila hadn't just woken up and wandered into the bedroom moments before JB returns upstairs, almost paralyzed by fear, she stumbles over and is already on the floor when he approaches?

There are all sorts of permutations.

[guest29835]

By using his vastly superior strenght, speed, motivation, coordination, alertness.

He was also fully clothed & holding a rifle.

Not sure what else he needed for a few seconds. But Sheila being docile & uncoordinated would be a bonus.

I don't accept that you have answered the question.  You've given a glib answer which can be summed up as: Sheila is smaller and weaker than Jeremy, therefore Jeremy can just somehow make her do what he wants.  There's no detail in your answer, and neither you nor Armchair Detective have answered my other questions - except that you claim it is all 'common sense' (whatever that means).

I would suggest you and Armchair Detective have not thought it all through.

[Armchair Detective]

Straying off topic.  These points have been debated at length on other threads.  'Would have'.  None of this is evidence.  It's just your own opinion about what the people involved should have done based on your interpretation of the situation.

Bingo!