Bamber controlling a fully fit Sheila.

[Rob_]

I'm fairly convinced that I couldn't successfully fire a gun at anyone, Rob................but then I don't have (m)any murderous inclinations.

I agree Jane but you only need to be deranged carry out what happened at WHF, you don't have to be a marksman, in fact I don't believe even a marksman could have carried out this crime? a marksman is just good at shooting at targets not humans.

[lookout]

And those rifles are meant for vermin and not humans. If JB had been planning this he'd have bought a handgun, simple as that.

[snow66!]

Yes,almost all the shots were fired at stationary targets from close contact to about a couple of feet.Hardly like shooting at approaching soldiers on horse back at a hundred yards.I think we can disperse with the term marksman in this instance.

[snow66!]

Too weak. Your scenario had 50 maybe's. Six of them before Nevill even woke.

But appreciate you will focus on trying to create obstacles on the straight forward Bamber scenario.

You didnt answer why JB didnt shoot June in the head while she was sleeping Adam.

[snow66!]

Too weak. Your scenario had 50 maybe's. Six of them before Nevill even woke.

But appreciate you will focus on trying to create obstacles on the straight forward Bamber scenario.

Did you ever write a detailed step by step JB scenario Adam,and if so would you mind telling me where to find it.

[Adam]

Did you ever write a detailed step by step JB scenario Adam,and if so would you mind telling me where to find it.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10792.msg497580.html#msg497580

[Rob_]

"Cycle to WHF:

Evidence - June's bike brought over to Bamber's cottage just before massacre.  Easy journey. Unseen.

.......

Cycle home:

Evidence - Bike found at Bambers cottage"


Where is the evidence the bike was actually used that night? it was ridden across muddy tracks and fields, it would be obvious if it had been used?

I feel more BS coming!

[Rob_]

When and from where was the telephone call to the police made?

Please don't say because JB had a phone this was evidence 

[Rob_]

"Exit out of kitchen window:


Evidence - Twenty sources say it can be banged shut from outside. Housekeeper said items moved by kitchen window.on night of massacre."

Can you explain how JB managed to close the secondary latch on the inside of the window? This can only be closed from the inside

[Rob_]

I have just read and re-read and re-read your scenario Adam I cannot see a single piece of evidence! have you posted your latest one I don't remember your scenario being this bad! Cc thought it was spot on!

[snow66!]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10792.msg497580.html#msg497580

This is the only part of interest to me Adam--Either wake and shoot or shoot an already awake Sheila.Evidence,Sheila found shot in the corner of main bedroom.Sheila on Haloperidol so easy to control--Well meaning no disrespect Adam,this is even far less detailed than the police report sent to the DPP,and as for evidence,this statement holds none that i can see.Being found in the corner of the main bedroom is merely a fact,not evidence.Sheila on Haloperidol so easy to control,you are more or less saying Sheila has been hypnotised and under JBs command.Being drowsy and sedated does not by any stretch of the imagination mean tou have lost the will to live,and are willing to sit still and be shot.Sorry Adam,but your scenario dosent prove anything.

[Jane]

I agree Jane but you only need to be deranged carry out what happened at WHF, you don't have to be a marksman, in fact I don't believe even a marksman could have carried out this crime? a marksman is just good at shooting at targets not humans.

Okay, well then we have to come to a decision on whether Sheila was calculated and sane, or unaware and deranged.

[Jane]

And those rifles are meant for vermin and not humans. If JB had been planning this he'd have bought a handgun, simple as that.

But it wasn't his plan to have it look like he'd thought the whole thing through before doing it. He wanted it to look as if it was Sheila acting spontaneously, and Sheila definitely wouldn't have gone out and bought a handgun.

[lookout]

Okay, well then we have to come to a decision on whether Sheila was calculated and sane, or unaware and deranged.

I've actually struggled with that difference at times. My own indication that Sheila was unwell are the various changes in her pics. We all alter, facially, over the years but Sheila was only young and not subject to such change. I think it was her last pic, or at least one, with her mother and the twins---standing, where I personally thought that she didn't look too well. This would have to be compared to a modelling pic of her sitting on a chair.
I know make-up enhances, but I could see beyond that.

[Jane]

I've actually struggled with that difference at times. My own indication that Sheila was unwell are the various changes in her pics. We all alter, facially, over the years but Sheila was only young and not subject to such change. I think it was her last pic, or at least one, with her mother and the twins---standing, where I personally thought that she didn't look too well. This would have to be compared to a modelling pic of her sitting on a chair.
I know make-up enhances, but I could see beyond that.

In the one I'm thinking of, Lookout, my description of her would be "strained and tense". There was something about the way she appeared to be gripping her wrist with her other hand. I have no idea whereabouts she was in her illness, but she seemed devoid of make-up -mask hiding who she was?- and I do recall that schizophrenics don't like having their pictures taken.