Bamber controlling a fully fit Sheila.

[Adam]

Is there a statement anywhere?

No. CAL was interviewed in 2015 for ITV news when her book came out. She said it then. I have looked for the video.

It may be in her book. I have not got it.

[Adam]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjwtpagpez2AhXIa8AKHTFWBiEQFnoECCgQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.itv.com%2Fnews%2Fcalendar%2Fupdate%2F2015-07-29%2Fyorkshire-author-writes-book-about-jeremy-bamber-case%2F&usg=AOvVaw2hlBtA_oWPi4HEzPj-asPY

This could be it. Although the video did not play for me.

[snow66!]

CAL said. Source was Sheila's best friend. A week before the massacre.

Hi Adam.It was Tora Tompkinson.  ---when it was time to go she could not get up--- page 146 ,so you better add her name to your list.Why dont you just buy CALs book Adam,you can get it for a few quid on ebay.But be warned there are many contradictory statements and damaging statements about Sheila too.I will give you just one for the time being,Dr Fergusson said he was very surprised to hear that Sheila had committed suicide,she NEVER mentioned suicide to him,yet in CALs book when Margaret Grimster,and her teenage children,David and Helen arrived for a visit[to WHF the day after Sheilas release on 29th merch] After lunch,everyone else except Sheila and thirteen year old Helen set off for a walk.Helen joined Sheila for a chat in the sitting room;'Sheila asked me if i liked school.She said she had been bullied at school and that she hadnt enjoyed her school days.'As she spoke Sheila rolled a joint and offered it to Helen,who declined[quite nimble fingers at this stage after newly receiving her Haloperidol injection]She asked Helen if she had ever thought of killing herself and said that she had contemplated suicide several times.[but never told this to Fergusson apparently]To the younger girls alarm,she then described herself as a 'white witch' who had to 'get rid of all the evil in the world'. Many more quotes to come Adam.

[Adam]

Hi Adam.It was Tora Tompkinson.  ---when it was time to go she could not get up--- page 146 ,so you better add her name to your list.Why dont you just buy CALs book Adam,you can get it for a few quid on ebay.But be warned there are many contradictory statements and damaging statements about Sheila too.I will give you just one for the time being,Dr Fergusson said he was very surprised to hear that Sheila had committed suicide,she NEVER mentioned suicide to him,yet in CALs book when Margaret Grimster,and her teenage children,David and Helen arrived for a visit[to WHF the day after Sheilas release on 29th merch] After lunch,everyone else except Sheila and thirteen year old Helen set off for a walk.Helen joined Sheila for a chat in the sitting room;'Sheila asked me if i liked school.She said she had been bullied at school and that she hadnt enjoyed her school days.'As she spoke Sheila rolled a joint and offered it to Helen,who declined[quite nimble fingers at this stage after newly receiving her Haloperidol injection]She asked Helen if she had ever thought of killing herself and said that she had contemplated suicide several times.[but never told this to Fergusson apparently]To the younger girls alarm,she then described herself as a 'white witch' who had to 'get rid of all the evil in the world'. Many more quotes to come Adam.

Thank you. I read Wilkes's book as that had the best reviews prior to CAL.

CAL's book sounded a bit long winded. Although Michael Horsnell & Tara Tompkinson are new bits of information.

[Jane]

Hi Adam.It was Tora Tompkinson.  ---when it was time to go she could not get up--- page 146 ,so you better add her name to your list.Why dont you just buy CALs book Adam,you can get it for a few quid on ebay.But be warned there are many contradictory statements and damaging statements about Sheila too.I will give you just one for the time being,Dr Fergusson said he was very surprised to hear that Sheila had committed suicide,she NEVER mentioned suicide to him,yet in CALs book when Margaret Grimster,and her teenage children,David and Helen arrived for a visit[to WHF the day after Sheilas release on 29th merch] After lunch,everyone else except Sheila and thirteen year old Helen set off for a walk.Helen joined Sheila for a chat in the sitting room;'Sheila asked me if i liked school.She said she had been bullied at school and that she hadnt enjoyed her school days.'As she spoke Sheila rolled a joint and offered it to Helen,who declined[quite nimble fingers at this stage after newly receiving her Haloperidol injection]She asked Helen if she had ever thought of killing herself and said that she had contemplated suicide several times.[but never told this to Fergusson apparently]To the younger girls alarm,she then described herself as a 'white witch' who had to 'get rid of all the evil in the world'. Many more quotes to come Adam.

The key words in that so frequently trawled out quote -by supporters- are "HAD contemplated....." She didn't claim to be contemplating. I'd class her words as reflective, mostly being about the past. Supporters may wish to believe that she was claiming that she intended to slaughter all those she 'believed' to be evil, but there are other ways, as demonstrated by those who simply seek lead by example.
 

[Jane]

She needed help getting off the sofa you said?

It's a huge leap from needing help to get off a sofa and being unable to walk. It's entirely possible that we're reading about a one-time situation captured in time. That she MAY have needed help on that occasion is not an indication that it was permanent.

[snow66!]

The key words in that so frequently trawled out quote -by supporters- are "HAD contemplated....." She didn't claim to be contemplating. I'd class her words as reflective, mostly being about the past. Supporters may wish to believe that she was claiming that she intended to slaughter all those she 'believed' to be evil, but there are other ways, as demonstrated by those who simply seek lead by example.

Good morning Jane.You can read it any way you like,She did say at another time,that all people are evil and should be killed,you must admit quotes like that are not helpful for her case.

[Jane]

Good morning Jane.You can read it any way you like,She did say at another time,that all people are evil and should be killed,you must admit quotes like that are not helpful for her case.

So can you. It seems you taken every one of her words in isolation without looking at the bigger picture or the back story.

[Roch]

So can you. It seems you taken every one of her words in isolation without looking at the bigger picture or the back story.

If we look at the Emani incident and then the two examples of spoken word incidents that Snow refers to, then look at the bigger picture as you put it (ie she died and the actual concept that it was by her own hand was no suprise to Colin) , how else are we supposed to view it. Is the bigger picture, not also giving consideration to whether or not all components mentioned above were available to the jury at trial? How can the jury consider the bigger picture, if they weren't provided with it? 

[Adam]

Bamber had decided to commit the massacre prior to Sheila arriving at WHF. June's bike had been stolen in preparation.

Sheila's condition was not an issue & something he had no control over.  He would of course prefer that she was docile and uncordinated.

His supper reconnaissance confirmed everyone was inside WHF & Sheila would provide no resistance.

[guest29835]

Let's take a look at Adam's 12 sources:

Not sure what else can be supplied to show that Sheila was sadly a sitting duck -

CAL - Zombie.

Wilkes - Zombie.

The source for this is Colin Caffell, who is claiming that Pamela Boutflour said this to Robert Boutflour.  It's in none of the statements and Colin Caffell is not an objective source of information on the case.  His book on the case is very good in its own way, but not factual.  It's not a reliable claim.

CAL - Sheila unable to get off sofa's without help. 

Says Carol Ann Lee.

PB's WS.

Bamber's WS.

Julie's WS.

None of these statements support what you say.  If you disagree, then give us specific quotes and page numbers. 

Michael Horsnell.

We don't have Michael Horsnell's statement.  Mike has not posted it to the Forum.  Therefore, all we have is Carol Ann Lee's interpretation of that statement - like Colin Caffell, she is not a reliable source of information, as she is not objective.  Any interpretation she offers of a document will be highly-selective.

Sheila on Haloperidol.

The numerous strong side effects of Haloperiodal.

This has been gone over and over.  You have nothing to establish whether she was drowsy or sleepy that evening.  Pamela Boutflour says she was talking monosyllabically, but the March 1985 statement from Dr. Illiffe says the same and his visit to Sheila's flat was before she was premedicated.  It could easily be that the monosyllabic speech pattern was the result of her mood or her underlying condition and nothing to do with being somnolent.  It could just be that she was angry or in a sulk and did not want to speak to Pamela.

Sheila asking her dosage to be reduced as she could not function.

And her dosage was reduced. 

Bamber's appearance around an hour after the massacre.

I don't see how this helps your point.  As you know, Jeremy claims he received a phone call from Nevill.

The crime scene evidence.

Can be interpreted as Sheila having committed the massacre.

[Adam]

Let's take a look at Adam's 12 sources:

The source for this is Colin Caffell, who is claiming that Pamela Boutflour said this to Robert Boutflour.  It's in none of the statements and Colin Caffell is not an objective source of information on the case.  His book on the case is very good in its own way, but not factual.  It's not a reliable claim.

Says Carol Ann Lee.

None of these statements support what you say.  If you disagree, then give us specific quotes and page numbers. 

We don't have Michael Horsnell's statement.  Mike has not posted it to the Forum.  Therefore, all we have is Carol Ann Lee's interpretation of that statement - like Colin Caffell, she is not a reliable source of information, as she is not objective.  Any interpretation she offers of a document will be highly-selective.

This has been gone over and over.  You have nothing to establish whether she was drowsy or sleepy that evening.  Pamela Boutflour says she was talking monosyllabically, but the March 1985 statement from Dr. Illiffe says the same and his visit to Sheila's flat was before she was premedicated.  It could easily be that the monosyllabic speech pattern was the result of her mood or her underlying condition and nothing to do with being somnolent.  It could just be that she was angry or in a sulk and did not want to speak to Pamela.

And her dosage was reduced. 

I don't see how this helps your point.  As you know, Jeremy claims he received a phone call from Nevill.

Can be interpreted as Sheila having committed the massacre.

The source is CAL & Wilkes. They got it from DB.

CC is nothing to do with it. 

[Adam]

Let's take a look at Adam's 12 sources:

The source for this is Colin Caffell, who is claiming that Pamela Boutflour said this to Robert Boutflour.  It's in none of the statements and Colin Caffell is not an objective source of information on the case.  His book on the case is very good in its own way, but not factual.  It's not a reliable claim.

Says Carol Ann Lee.

None of these statements support what you say.  If you disagree, then give us specific quotes and page numbers. 

We don't have Michael Horsnell's statement.  Mike has not posted it to the Forum.  Therefore, all we have is Carol Ann Lee's interpretation of that statement - like Colin Caffell, she is not a reliable source of information, as she is not objective.  Any interpretation she offers of a document will be highly-selective.

This has been gone over and over.  You have nothing to establish whether she was drowsy or sleepy that evening.  Pamela Boutflour says she was talking monosyllabically, but the March 1985 statement from Dr. Illiffe says the same and his visit to Sheila's flat was before she was premedicated.  It could easily be that the monosyllabic speech pattern was the result of her mood or her underlying condition and nothing to do with being somnolent.  It could just be that she was angry or in a sulk and did not want to speak to Pamela.

And her dosage was reduced. 

I don't see how this helps your point.  As you know, Jeremy claims he received a phone call from Nevill.

Can be interpreted as Sheila having committed the massacre.

CAL got the information from Sheila's best friend. Snow66! has posted her name.

[Adam]

Let's take a look at Adam's 12 sources:

The source for this is Colin Caffell, who is claiming that Pamela Boutflour said this to Robert Boutflour.  It's in none of the statements and Colin Caffell is not an objective source of information on the case.  His book on the case is very good in its own way, but not factual.  It's not a reliable claim.

Says Carol Ann Lee.

None of these statements support what you say.  If you disagree, then give us specific quotes and page numbers. 

We don't have Michael Horsnell's statement.  Mike has not posted it to the Forum.  Therefore, all we have is Carol Ann Lee's interpretation of that statement - like Colin Caffell, she is not a reliable source of information, as she is not objective.  Any interpretation she offers of a document will be highly-selective.

This has been gone over and over.  You have nothing to establish whether she was drowsy or sleepy that evening.  Pamela Boutflour says she was talking monosyllabically, but the March 1985 statement from Dr. Illiffe says the same and his visit to Sheila's flat was before she was premedicated.  It could easily be that the monosyllabic speech pattern was the result of her mood or her underlying condition and nothing to do with being somnolent.  It could just be that she was angry or in a sulk and did not want to speak to Pamela.

And her dosage was reduced. 

I don't see how this helps your point.  As you know, Jeremy claims he received a phone call from Nevill.

Can be interpreted as Sheila having committed the massacre.

Specific quotes -

Sheila non responsive to conversations about fostering.

Tonights the night.

It's now or never.

You may hear from me later.

I have been on my tractor thinking about it all day.

Sheila just said 'yes' or 'no' for 3 minutes on the phone.

[Adam]

Let's take a look at Adam's 12 sources:

The source for this is Colin Caffell, who is claiming that Pamela Boutflour said this to Robert Boutflour.  It's in none of the statements and Colin Caffell is not an objective source of information on the case.  His book on the case is very good in its own way, but not factual.  It's not a reliable claim.

Says Carol Ann Lee.

None of these statements support what you say.  If you disagree, then give us specific quotes and page numbers. 

We don't have Michael Horsnell's statement.  Mike has not posted it to the Forum.  Therefore, all we have is Carol Ann Lee's interpretation of that statement - like Colin Caffell, she is not a reliable source of information, as she is not objective.  Any interpretation she offers of a document will be highly-selective.

This has been gone over and over.  You have nothing to establish whether she was drowsy or sleepy that evening.  Pamela Boutflour says she was talking monosyllabically, but the March 1985 statement from Dr. Illiffe says the same and his visit to Sheila's flat was before she was premedicated.  It could easily be that the monosyllabic speech pattern was the result of her mood or her underlying condition and nothing to do with being somnolent.  It could just be that she was angry or in a sulk and did not want to speak to Pamela.

And her dosage was reduced. 

I don't see how this helps your point.  As you know, Jeremy claims he received a phone call from Nevill.

Can be interpreted as Sheila having committed the massacre.

Maybe CAL spoke to Michael Horsnell. She is an investigstive author.

Or maybe she has got his statement.

His WS not being online is neither here or there.