Bamber controlling a fully fit Sheila.

[snow66!]

You seem to have a collection of both facts and myths and lumped them together. Whilst much of what you say is factual, the time frame in which you've placed them, probably isn't, ergo, whilst it's true that Sheila, during her first stay in hospital, confided her fears regarding her sons, to Dr Ferguson, he says that, during her second stay, she was no longer focussed on her children or her mother, another cause of concern for her. There is nothing to suggest, now that she was appropriately medicated with a theraputic dose, that such thoughts ever entered her mind.

Yes,thats all fair enough Jane.But if that is the case,Sheila should have been in reasonably good spirits and not that willing to die without a struggle.Or was she still very depressed and without hope?

[Jane]

Yes,thats all fair enough Jane.But if that is the case,Sheila should have been in reasonably good spirits and not that willing to die without a struggle.Or was she still very depressed and without hope?

So where are you getting the idea of these alleged "reasonably good spirits" from, and what, exactly do you mean by it? The person you're describing doesn't fit with most of the suggestions of those who knew her and spent time with her during her last fortnight. It's only guess-work, of course, but I suspect Sheila started to go down hill after her mother left. They'd hit it off, clearly enjoying each others' company, and Sheila must have found, in Christine, all the things she'd found lacking in June. She must have felt bereft and abandoned all over again after she left. Leaving out all that her friends said of her during her last fourteen days, fast forward to the few, dreaded days, she was to spend with June, for whom, it seems, she'd never been able to get it right. I'd say she had a perfect right to her depression, but that's not to rule out moments when her sons' antics might have caused her to smile.

[Adam]

Hi Adam,hope your well today.Now,you say JB knew where he wanted to kill Sheila.Why did he want to kill Sheila in her parents bedroom? If she slept through the shooting,why not sneak in and shoot her where she lay.That way he didnt have to tell her anything or risk her going berserk when she saw her mothers body.And apparantly her feet,body and night dress were spotlessly clean with no one elses blood,only her own.It wasnt as if he shot her in the main bedroom and smeared her with the others blood or anything.So why move her to the main bedroom?

'knew where he wanted to shoot Sheila'.

That is referring to location on her body.

[Adam]

It is possible Bamber intended to have Sheila dead in the twins bedroom.

However once Nevill left the main bedroom, he knew there was enough space in there. That room was nearer.

[Adam]

Hi Adam,hope your well today.Now,you say JB knew where he wanted to kill Sheila.Why did he want to kill Sheila in her parents bedroom? If she slept through the shooting,why not sneak in and shoot her where she lay.That way he didnt have to tell her anything or risk her going berserk when she saw her mothers body.And apparantly her feet,body and night dress were spotlessly clean with no one elses blood,only her own.It wasnt as if he shot her in the main bedroom and smeared her with the others blood or anything.So why move her to the main bedroom?

It was an option for Bamber to shoot Sheila in her bed. Then carry her a few feet to her resting place. Bamber would be strong enough to carry her.

[lookout]

It was an option for Bamber to shoot Sheila in her bed. Then carry her a few feet to her resting place. Bamber would be strong enough to carry her.

A full massacre in ten minutes, eh , as well as carrying people ? I don't think so.

[snow66!]

So where are you getting the idea of these alleged "reasonably good spirits" from, and what, exactly do you mean by it? The person you're describing doesn't fit with most of the suggestions of those who knew her and spent time with her during her last fortnight. It's only guess-work, of course, but I suspect Sheila started to go down hill after her mother left. They'd hit it off, clearly enjoying each others' company, and Sheila must have found, in Christine, all the things she'd found lacking in June. She must have felt bereft and abandoned all over again after she left. Leaving out all that her friends said of her during her last fourteen days, fast forward to the few, dreaded days, she was to spend with June, for whom, it seems, she'd never been able to get it right. I'd say she had a perfect right to her depression, but that's not to rule out moments when her sons' antics might have caused her to smile.

So depression was her biggest enemy then Jane.

[snow66!]

'knew where he wanted to shoot Sheila'.

That is referring to location on her body.

Oh i misunderstood you Adam.

[Jane]

So depression was her biggest enemy then Jane.

Depression is everyone's enemy, Snow. It can drain lives, rob sufferers of mental energy, and the will to lift themselves out of it.

[snow66!]

It was an option for Bamber to shoot Sheila in her bed. Then carry her a few feet to her resting place. Bamber would be strong enough to carry her.

Dont think so Adam.If he shot her in bed,there would be blood stains.Especially if the bullet went straight through.

[Adam]

Dont think so Adam.If he shot her in bed,there would be blood stains.Especially if the bullet went straight through.

Depends on whether he lifted her before she bled onto the sheets.

[snow66!]

So where are you getting the idea of these alleged "reasonably good spirits" from, and what, exactly do you mean by it? The person you're describing doesn't fit with most of the suggestions of those who knew her and spent time with her during her last fortnight. It's only guess-work, of course, but I suspect Sheila started to go down hill after her mother left. They'd hit it off, clearly enjoying each others' company, and Sheila must have found, in Christine, all the things she'd found lacking in June. She must have felt bereft and abandoned all over again after she left. Leaving out all that her friends said of her during her last fourteen days, fast forward to the few, dreaded days, she was to spend with June, for whom, it seems, she'd never been able to get it right. I'd say she had a perfect right to her depression, but that's not to rule out moments when her sons' antics might have caused her to smile.

One of Fergusons later statements claimed she was in good spirits Jane.Not that i place much importance on any statement made after it was five murders.

[snow66!]

Depends on whether he lifted her before she bled onto the sheets.

Too weak Adam.May i ask you another question,why didnt JB shoot June in the HEAD while she was sleeping?

[Rob_]

It was an option for Bamber to shoot Sheila in her bed. Then carry her a few feet to her resting place. Bamber would be strong enough to carry her.

You should start writing children's book Adam a modern version of Enid Blyton?

I am sure even Micky Mouse would not have been fooled if JB shot Sheila in her bed then carried her into her parent's room. If JB carried her anywhere it would have been the children's room.

[Jane]

One of Fergusons later statements claimed she was in good spirits Jane.Not that i place much importance on any statement made after it was five murders.

The last time Dr Ferguson saw Sheila was at least 12 weeks prior to her death. I guess, as she was getting out of hospital, she would have presented as being in reasonably good spirits. At that time, she had much to look forward to.