Sheilas Two Shots

[snow66!]

Indeed there is, Snow. It's called the jugular, which MAY have been his target because she refused to open her mouth. Had he forced it he could have damaged her teeth which would have looked suspicious.

Hi Jane,hope your well.The carotid arteries,and jugular veins are on the outside of the neck.Both shots were fired nearer the middle of the head at a slight inward angle.So if JB was aiming for the jugular his knowledge of anatomy leaves a lot to be desired.

[Jane]

Hi Jane,hope your well.The carotid arteries,and jugular veins are on the outside of the neck.Both shots were fired nearer the middle of the head at a slight inward angle.So if JB was aiming for the jugular his knowledge of anatomy leaves a lot to be desired.

You're probably, with the benefit of hindsight, correct. I doubt he consulted books on anatomy and physiology prior to the shootings. Without any prior knowledge all that was left, if she'd refused to open her mouth, was approximation. I doubt he'd have had anything with him to assist the angle of the shots.

[Adam]

Suspect he found out enough to know that underneath the chin was a very effective location.

Even when Sheila was still breathing after the first shot, he chose the same location for the second shot.

[Jane]

Suspect he found out enough to know that underneath the chin was a very effective location.

Even when Sheila was still breathing after the first shot, he chose the same location for the second shot.

As the old sayings go; there's more than one way to skin a rabbit, and, if at first you don't succeed, try, try, try again. He only had to "try again" once.

[snow66!]

Suspect he found out enough to know that underneath the chin was a very effective location.

Even when Sheila was still breathing after the first shot, he chose the same location for the second shot.

Oh Adam,how many times are we going to have to go over this==SAME LOCATION,COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ANGLE ,AT LEAST A DIFFERENCE OF 50 DEGREES,ONE SHOT INTO THE NECK,ONE SHOT UP INTO THE BRAIN==Why didnt JB put the first bullet up into the brain,instead of a TOTALY RANDOM shot into the neck? I simply dont think you are understanding what this topic is about.Or dont want to.

[Adam]

Oh Adam,how many times are we going to have to go over this==SAME LOCATION,COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ANGLE ,AT LEAST A DIFFERENCE OF 50 DEGREES,ONE SHOT INTO THE NECK,ONE SHOT UP INTO THE BRAIN==Why didnt JB put the first bullet up into the brain,instead of a TOTALY RANDOM shot into the neck? I simply dont think you are understanding what this topic is about.Or dont want to.

Not sure where you are trying to go with this.

The shot locations are very close together. If you choose to think the rifle was at different angles for each shot, feel free.

[Adam]

Oh Adam,how many times are we going to have to go over this==SAME LOCATION,COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ANGLE ,AT LEAST A DIFFERENCE OF 50 DEGREES,ONE SHOT INTO THE NECK,ONE SHOT UP INTO THE BRAIN==Why didnt JB put the first bullet up into the brain,instead of a TOTALY RANDOM shot into the neck? I simply dont think you are understanding what this topic is about.Or dont want to.

It wasn't a totally random shot. The first shot was very well placed & caused severe blood loss, immobilised Sheila & would have killed her.

Bamber's investigating resulted in a successful one shot killing of Sheila.  Unfortunately for him, it was not an instant death & he chose to fire a second shot shortly afterwards.

[Jane]

Oh Adam,how many times are we going to have to go over this==SAME LOCATION,COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ANGLE ,AT LEAST A DIFFERENCE OF 50 DEGREES,ONE SHOT INTO THE NECK,ONE SHOT UP INTO THE BRAIN==Why didnt JB put the first bullet up into the brain,instead of a TOTALY RANDOM shot into the neck? I simply dont think you are understanding what this topic is about.Or dont want to.

In that case, why didn't Sheila? She had a better opportunity than JB. All she had to do was open her mouth and push the trigger. Pushing the gun into her mouth would had shortened the barrel and made firing it much easier. You seem not to understand the difficulty JB would have encountered in executing a clean kill by firing directly into the brain. Sheila MAY have moved the gun. She undoubtedly refused to open her mouth. She MAY have moved her head from side to side.

[snow66!]

In that case, why didn't Sheila? She had a better opportunity than JB. All she had to do was open her mouth and push the trigger. Pushing the gun into her mouth would had shortened the barrel and made firing it much easier. You seem not to understand the difficulty JB would have encountered in executing a clean kill by firing directly into the brain. Sheila MAY have moved the gun. She undoubtedly refused to open her mouth. She MAY have moved her head from side to side.

Well Jane ,if she was capable of doing all that,i would call it a STRUGGLE and she must have been fighting for her life.

[Jane]

Well Jane ,if she was capable of doing all that,i would call it a STRUGGLE and she must have been fighting for her life.

I don't recall anyone saying she didn't. Maybe that's where all those alleged cuts happened, we're told told she had. Perhaps she was in a fight with JB.

[snow66!]

Not sure where you are trying to go with this.

The shot locations are very close together. If you choose to think the rifle was at different angles for each shot, feel free.

Adam,i am not choosing to decide the shots were at different angles,the illustration in the Archive clearly shows this as fact.

[snow66!]

I don't recall anyone saying she didn't. Maybe that's where all those alleged cuts happened, we're told told she had. Perhaps she was in a fight with JB.

Well,if JB had on gloves,as is alleged Jane,how could he cause little cuts?

[Jane]

Well,if JB had on gloves,as is alleged Jane,how could he cause little cuts?

Please note my use of the words "allegedly" and "perhaps".

[snow66!]

Please note my use of the words "allegedly" and "perhaps".

Fair enough Jane.The angle of the two shots are however fact,Adam however,fails to recognise this or the implications of what they may mean.He is either simply being awkward or is not quite as intelligent as i thought.Either way,i have decided to clarify what i am saying about the two shots by posting an answer,as if it were at JBs court case. Adam will be the coucel for the prosecution and i will be councel for the defence.As well as arguing about the two shots,i will be adding quite a bit of nonsense about the case.Hopefully for comic effect.So you will definatelly need your tongue firmly in your cheek if you decide to read it Jane.You have been warned.Anyway its Adams fault for not properly answering the question.

[Rob_]

Well Jane ,if she was capable of doing all that,i would call it a STRUGGLE and she must have been fighting for her life.

The guilters want it all ways Snow don't they, if Sheila tried to deflect any part of the rifle against a vastly stronger killer it would be the barrel end not the stock end. You would naturally grab the barrel end to save yourself?

The two shots were very close together, so I think we can say there was no struggle for the rifle which to me points to suicide.