Sheilas Two Shots

[snow66!]

Both shots by Bamber were very well placed -

'The higher of the two wounds would have killed her almost instantaneously.

The lower of the two would have been a fatal injury but not one where death would have occurred immediately'.

What do you mean very well placed Adam,what was he aiming for with the first shot?

[snow66!]

ONE of the two shots would have caused instant death -there is now allegedly some debate about which shot that was- if it had been the first shot, she'd have already been dead so this discussion is futile. However, one of the two shots was said to have been "mortal" meaning she would have died from it eventually -no one has yet ventured a guess as to how long that may have been- as opposed to immediately. But if she was already dead, it's academic.

Hi Jane,hope your well today.Well if the second shot was the non fatal one,it was inflicted with the rifle in a vertical position,so it could hardly have been aaaccidental.So who fired the second shot Jane?

[Adam]

Hi Jane,hope your well today.Well if the second shot was the non fatal one,it was inflicted with the rifle in a vertical position,so it could hardly have been aaaccidental.So who fired the second shot Jane?

Bamber. He's been in jail for it since 1986.

[Adam]

No it isnt Adam ,you said BOTH shots would have caused instant death.

Where did I say that?

The COA said both shots would be fatal. One instantly. The other taking longer.

[Adam]

Seems Snow66!'s question is why one of Bamber's shots was instantly fatal, while the other shot would have taken longer to be fatal.

The answer to that is
down to where Bamber placed the rifle for each shot.

[Jane]

Hi Jane,hope your well today.Well if the second shot was the non fatal one,it was inflicted with the rifle in a vertical position,so it could hardly have been aaaccidental.So who fired the second shot Jane?

Same person who fired the first and has been convicted.

[snow66!]

Same person who fired the first and has been convicted.

But why did he fire a second shot,if the first was instantly fatal.I am getting lost here Jane.

[Jane]

But why did he fire a second shot,if the first was instantly fatal.I am getting lost here Jane.

As I've never killed anyone -and only ever been tempted from a very safe distance!- I can only provide supposition. It's possible that he'd have been high on adrenalin -and maybe other chemicals- and as Sheila was his last kill (in order to make the suicide 'order' correct) he'd become a bit sloppy? OR, he suddenly realized that only she stood between him and the lifestyle he intended for himself and he momentarily lost concentration. Whatever his mind set, I think it can be guaranteed that TWO shots weren't part of his grand plan. Having -by whatever means- got her into a suitable position, maybe he wasn't in the right position? Maybe she moved at the last minute? He couldn't have been certain that she was dead. Now what? Did he leave her to bleed to death slowly, and still be alive by the time the police got there? Worse, supposing she'd been saved to tell the story? He had no choice, despite that "two-shot suicides" aren't textbook. He couldn't risk her surviving.

[snow66!]

Bamber. He's been in jail for it since 1986.

Ok Adam,i will ask you as well as Jane,if the first shot was instantly fatal,why on earth did JB inflict a second shot.?

[Adam]

Ok Adam,i will ask you as well as Jane,if the first shot was instantly fatal,why on earth did JB inflict a second shot.?

How do you know the first shot killed Sheila instantly?

[snow66!]

How do you know the first shot killed Sheila instantly?

You and Jane changed it to that Adam,not me.Please read my original post and see what i am asking.Although i am sure you already know.You realy do like twisting things around.But unless you answer my questions,there is little chance of changing my mind to guilt Adam.You simply leave me with more doubt.

[Adam]

You and Jane changed it to that Adam,not me.Please read my original post and see what i am asking.Although i am sure you already know.You realy do like twisting things around.But unless you answer my questions,there is little chance of changing my mind to guilt Adam.You simply leave me with more doubt.

Ok you have decided Bamber's first shot killed her instantly.

How did Nevill wake? The 5 maybe's -

Maybe Sheila shot the twins first.

Maybe Sheila screamed.

Maybe Crispy heard.

Maybe Crispy barked.

Maybe Nevill woke when Crispy barked.

[snow66!]

As I've never killed anyone -and only ever been tempted from a very safe distance!- I can only provide supposition. It's possible that he'd have been high on adrenalin -and maybe other chemicals- and as Sheila was his last kill (in order to make the suicide 'order' correct) he'd become a bit sloppy? OR, he suddenly realized that only she stood between him and the lifestyle he intended for himself and he momentarily lost concentration. Whatever his mind set, I think it can be guaranteed that TWO shots weren't part of his grand plan. Having -by whatever means- got her into a suitable position, maybe he wasn't in the right position? Maybe she moved at the last minute? He couldn't have been certain that she was dead. Now what? Did he leave her to bleed to death slowly, and still be alive by the time the police got there? Worse, supposing she'd been saved to tell the story? He had no choice, despite that "two-shot suicides" aren't textbook. He couldn't risk her surviving.

I think i have covered most of this Jane.If she pushed the rifle at the last minute,it would be the barrel.To change the angle of the shot she would have to reach out and move the stock end.However,changing the angle of the rifle would not have prevented her being shot,she had to push the barrel away from her throat to achieve this,and obviously she didnt.So i dont think it is logical to think she altered the angle of the shot in any way.Thats how i see it anyway.

[snow66!]

Ok you have decided Bamber's first shot killed her instantly.

How did Nevill wake? The 5 maybe's -

Maybe Sheila shot the twins first.

Maybe Sheila screamed.

Maybe Crispy heard.

Maybe Crispy barked.

Maybe Nevill woke when Crispy barked.

I beg your pardon Adam,what on earth does this mean? Have you had some sort of a turn.Calm down and breathe deep.I cant understand this list of jibberish in relation to what the thread is about.

[Jane]

I think i have covered most of this Jane.If she pushed the rifle at the last minute,it would be the barrel.To change the angle of the shot she would have to reach out and move the stock end.However,changing the angle of the rifle would not have prevented her being shot,she had to push the barrel away from her throat to achieve this,and obviously she didnt.So i dont think it is logical to think she altered the angle of the shot in any way.Thats how i see it anyway.

Had the first shot been immediately fatal, she'd no longer have been capable -or worried- about placing the rifle for a second shot, would she? If it hadn't been immediately fatal, how, with damaged vertebra, would she have managed to lift her arms to reposition it, then stretch one arm out to push the trigger again, whilst keeping the rifle aligned in a better for killing position? Whilst you appear to be applying some sort of logic, here, I doubt Sheila would have been capable.