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Offline Roch

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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #165 on: February 10, 2022, 07:13:PM »
And if you are still not convinced - I have made a video

https://streamable.com/adtqf9

I can see where you're coming from but ideally, would need to take in to account the rifle being on the correct side of her. Then you need to know the angle that the photos were taken from. And would need to try and mimick those. One of photos were the rifle seems high looks an almost side on shot, at the top end of her body.  I can't see a broom experiment coming up with that result. Still sceptical. 

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« Reply #166 on: February 10, 2022, 07:25:PM »
Also, one of the images chosen to display the absence of the object in question, is one of the worst images in terms of quality / clarity.

Furthermore, the object sits in the lee of a bloodied fold. If that lee can only be seen from certain angles, then your argument of parallax could be responsible for the seeming lack of the object in question. If you can only see the unbroken column of blood (where you would normally see the object) from certain angles, then this could also be down to perspective. As a poster pointed out - the gap where there is no blood cannot just suddenly become covered in blood.
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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #167 on: February 10, 2022, 07:26:PM »
I can see where you're coming from but ideally, would need to take in to account the rifle being on the correct side of her. Then you need to know the angle that the photos were taken from. And would need to try and mimick those. One of photos were the rifle seems high looks an almost side on shot, at the top end of her body.  I can't see a broom experiment coming up with that result. Still sceptical.
Surely this topic has been discussed before Roch,what was the decision then,what does Mike say about it.

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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #168 on: February 10, 2022, 07:29:PM »
Surely this topic has been discussed before Roch,what was the decision then,what does Mike say about it.

It was argued to death in the past. Not sure what the result was. Have you seen my post about the lee of the bloodied fold (above)?

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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #169 on: February 10, 2022, 07:44:PM »
It was argued to death in the past. Not sure what the result was. Have you seen my post about the lee of the bloodied fold (above)?
Do you mean the earring could be hidden in a sort of a valley in some photos Roch,most are taken from above showing the blood stained patch.I still maintain the rifle was re-positioned,and that is when the earring was tampered with.Perhaps we will need a vote to see who thinks the rifle has been moved further up the body and those who think it is an illusion.

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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #170 on: February 10, 2022, 08:10:PM »
Do you mean the earring could be hidden in a sort of a valley in some photos Roch,most are taken from above showing the blood stained patch.I still maintain the rifle was re-positioned,and that is when the earring was tampered with.Perhaps we will need a vote to see who thinks the rifle has been moved further up the body and those who think it is an illusion.

We say earring, they say gap in the column of blood. Either way, if you can't see the gap then you can't see the earring.

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« Reply #171 on: February 10, 2022, 08:16:PM »
To me parallax is not really the correct term? nothing is being measured and so any difference is just due to 3d geometry. Parallax error occurs where the viewer needs to be square on, for example reading time or speed of a car.

Sorry David I think the rifle has clearly moved.




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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #172 on: February 10, 2022, 08:45:PM »
To me parallax is not really the correct term? nothing is being measured and so any difference is just due to 3d geometry. Parallax error occurs where the viewer needs to be square on, for example reading time or speed of a car.

Sorry David I think the rifle has clearly moved.

I have effectively recreated the exact same thing here.

https://streamable.com/adtqf9

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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #173 on: February 10, 2022, 08:47:PM »
Also, one of the images chosen to display the absence of the object in question, is one of the worst images in terms of quality / clarity.

Furthermore, the object sits in the lee of a bloodied fold. If that lee can only be seen from certain angles, then your argument of parallax could be responsible for the seeming lack of the object in question. If you can only see the unbroken column of blood (where you would normally see the object) from certain angles, then this could also be down to perspective. As a poster pointed out - the gap where there is no blood cannot just suddenly become covered in blood.

The object in question is on the fabric, there is no space. The parallax effect only works when there is space between objects. Hence the rifle appears moved in relation to Sheila's neck and head.
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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #174 on: February 10, 2022, 08:52:PM »
The object in question is on the fabric, there is no space. The parallax effect only works when there is space between objects. Hence the rifle appears moved in relation to Sheila's neck and head.

David, you can't have a gap in the blood column on the fabric, which disappears when viewed from another angle. Well you can actually. But what it means is, the gap hasn't actually disappeared, you just can't see it, because of perspective.

What's the alternative David? I'll tell you. The alternative is that fresh blood filled the gap. That's not possible.

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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #175 on: February 10, 2022, 08:57:PM »
David, you can't have a gap in the blood column on the fabric, which disappears when viewed from another angle. Well you can actually. But what it means is, the gap hasn't actually disappeared, you just can't see it, because of perspective.

What's the alternative David? I'll tell you. The alternative is that fresh blood filled the gap. That's not possible.

The whole area is hidden by a flash shadow. Hence it is completely dark in some photos (depending on the angle of the photographer.

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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #176 on: February 10, 2022, 09:03:PM »
I have effectively recreated the exact same thing here.

https://streamable.com/adtqf9

You are very skilled with Blender David, I used to use it. The problem is in one image the end of the rifle is touching Sheilas throat so the effect you create in your animation is not really valid.

I am looking at the shadow of the rifle it disappears towards Sheilas throat.
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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #177 on: February 10, 2022, 09:16:PM »
The problem is in one image the end of the rifle is touching Sheilas throat

No, its a parallax. I can even make it seem like the rifle is balancing on her chin by just changing perspective.

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« Reply #178 on: February 10, 2022, 09:23:PM »
No, its a parallax. I can even make it seem like the rifle is balancing on her chin by just changing perspective.

You could be right, but the shadows look wrong to me but I don't want to argue.

What do you think the mark is on the right side of Sheilas throat? it looks like a bruise?

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Re: The drop / pendant earring...
« Reply #179 on: February 10, 2022, 09:25:PM »
No, its a parallax. I can even make it seem like the rifle is balancing on her chin by just changing perspective.

Come on David, this is silly. And as for flash shadow??