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Re: Likely Profile of The Perp
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2022, 12:29:PM »
If there was an alternative killer in this case, would they not have struck again? I think it's not impossible that an alternative killer may not believe their luck regarding Luke's conviction - and think that it is not worth the risk of committing such offences again. But normally, people who commit such offences have uncontrollable urges that cannot be satiated unless they kill again.
Not always IMO some are stop starters when a trigger is pulled. Killers have a range of behaviour patterns

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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2022, 12:32:PM »
Given the ease of travel between countries, particularly Europe it is possible that the killer does not confine his/her self only to the UK.

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Re: Likely Profile of The Perp
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2022, 03:17:PM »
ithink it likely ha to be somone loal beouse the pike just the right spot were they woulent get ought.

who ever i it woul of been over in blood how woul they get home without being notie unless they live very near by.

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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2022, 03:57:PM »
i think it likely ha to be someone local because the picked just the right spot were they wouldn't get Caught.

who ever i it would have been over in blood how would they get home without being noticed unless they lived very near by.
The perpetrator if very clever could have had a change of clothes in a rucksack. Alternatively was wearing two sets of clothes removing and destroying the outer blood stained ones. They may have been renting and staying in a B&B or travelled to the area in a car. Placed the bloodstained clothes in the boot for later destruction. They could have been staying anywhere if they had a car.


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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2022, 04:13:PM »
The perpetrator if very clever could have had a change of clothes in a rucksack. Alternatively was wearing two sets of clothes removing and destroying the outer blood stained ones. They may have been renting and staying in a B&B or travelled to the area in a car. Placed the bloodstained clothes in the boot for later destruction. They could have been staying anywhere if they had a car.

but woul they have one that on the of chane there would be a young girl aroun to kill.

that would still sugest somone who was local becouse how else would they know they woul fin a suitable victem on the path.

funny you should mention a rucksack becouse the man seen follwing jodi was carrying one.

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Re: Likely Profile of The Perp
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2022, 04:58:PM »
but woul they have one that on the of chane there would be a young girl aroun to kill.

that would still sugest somone who was local becouse how else would they know they woul fin a suitable victem on the path.

funny you should mention a rucksack becouse the man seen follwing jodi was carrying one.

I think the perpetrator was a 'Hunter' He found a subject, stalked and killed it.
Maybe he liked a certain look or the victim reminded him of someone. Not a doppelganger exactly but certain characteristics. Someone who had wronged him say.

I seem to recall that a man was seen outside the school one day. He appeared to be working under the bonnet of a car.

As the go to poster on this topic do you know of any other individuals who were sighted but ruled out and who was the suspect who was innocent because they were abroad
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Re: Likely Profile of The Perp
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2022, 10:53:AM »
i suspect a woman di or was at least involved just the way the clothes were folde i ant see a man foling clothes like that.

Were the clothes folded?  Source please.

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« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2022, 11:09:AM »
Cannabis is a mild-altering drug.  Luke was a regular user and dealer.  Cannabis can also become addictive when used habitually.

Are you able to cite any uk cases where a regular user of cannabis, with no underlying mental illness/personality disorder, has been convicted of murder, or any violent offence, and at trial it was concluded that cannabis played some part?

Is there any clear scientific evidence of a correlation between cannabis and violence?

Cannabis use is widespread from the Beatles to Luke Mitchell.  Although I accept that it is far stronger today than it was in the past. 

If his parents were united in disapproving of his use of cannabis, why was he using it and dealing it?  He was 14, not 24.

The same reason many of his peers were I guess including Jodie. 

I'm not sure he did deal as such.  Seems he had a ready supply (from Jodie's teenage cousin) and was happy to share with others.  One friend states Luke provided the cannabis and in return he provided the lunch. 

https://www.russellwebster.com/teenagers-cannabis-use/

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« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2022, 11:25:AM »
If there was an alternative killer in this case, would they not have struck again? I think it's not impossible that an alternative killer may not believe their luck regarding Luke's conviction - and think that it is not worth the risk of committing such offences again. But normally, people who commit such offences have uncontrollable urges that cannot be satiated unless they kill again.

How do you think serial killers come about?  Do you think it might be because they are not apprehended by law enforcement?

How do you know they haven't struck again?  I have recently watched the BBC series re Stephen Port and Dennis Nilsen.  In the case of Port alarm bells sounded immediately with the victims' families that the murders were connected but the police were having none of it. 

The area was close to trunk roads, ports, international and domestic airports, train stations etc.  Perp could be anyone from anywhere. 

The mutilation makes the murder stand out but maybe the perp intended to conceal the body and was disturbed before he/she/they could do so.  Maybe the perp(s) struck before and since and was able to conceal the body. 

Maybe the right man is locked up. 

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« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2022, 11:27:AM »
The perpetrator if very clever could have had a change of clothes in a rucksack. Alternatively was wearing two sets of clothes removing and destroying the outer blood stained ones. They may have been renting and staying in a B&B or travelled to the area in a car. Placed the bloodstained clothes in the boot for later destruction. They could have been staying anywhere if they had a car.

A fisherman. 

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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2022, 12:08:PM »
A fisherman.

Good suggestion. Most serious fishermen carry a knife of some description and frequently dress the part in camouflage gear. Posing  as a rambler with a rucksack would also work.

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« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2022, 12:40:PM »
Good suggestion. Most serious fishermen carry a knife of some description and frequently dress the part in camouflage gear. Posing  as a rambler with a rucksack would also work.

A rambler wouldn't have a legitimate reason to possess a knife nor would a golfer but a fisherman would.  Bearing in mind also Andrina Bryson who identified Luke from photographs, but was unable to identify him in court, described the male as wearing a "fishing-style jacket".

[16] The second key was the evidence of the witness Andrina Bryson. She had seen a male and a female standing near the Easthouses end of the path at around 1650 or 1655. The female was standing close to the beginning of the path on the pavement looking towards the male, who was on the path. The witness identified the appellant from a book of photographs as being the male whom she had seen. She noted him as wearing a khaki green, hip-length, fishing-style jacket. Its collar was up, and it had a pocket which was bulging.

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Re: Likely Profile of The Perp
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2022, 12:57:PM »
A rambler wouldn't have a legitimate reason to possess a knife nor would a golfer but a fisherman would.  Bearing in mind also Andrina Bryson who identified Luke from photographs, but was unable to identify him in court, described the male as wearing a "fishing-style jacket".

[16] The second key was the evidence of the witness Andrina Bryson. She had seen a male and a female standing near the Easthouses end of the path at around 1650 or 1655. The female was standing close to the beginning of the path on the pavement looking towards the male, who was on the path. The witness identified the appellant from a book of photographs as being the male whom she had seen. She noted him as wearing a khaki green, hip-length, fishing-style jacket. Its collar was up, and it had a pocket which was bulging.

I would not rule out a rambler too soon. They wear and carry extra clothing for changes in the weather. including waterproofs. They carry knives and in extreme conditions ice axes. If rock climbing they use small hammers for knocking in belays  I think a catch all phrase would be someone involved in outdoor pursuits.
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Re: Likely Profile of The Perp
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2022, 05:04:PM »
It's interesting to note that there were 2 very dangerous individuals around the area at the time, Robert green and Alan Roberts. It's not known if they were looked into because the police always say they're not interested in other suspects because Luke Mitchell in in Jail.

The police were very interested in profiling and criminal psychology in this case. Especially since there was no direct evidence to link Luke to the crime. None of it really matched Luke Mitchell though.

The police flew out to Quantico to consult with the BAU at the FBI. This wasn't used at trial I don't think it would be admissible anyway but there was an article published recently that suggests it pointed away from Luke Mitchell.

Richard Hoskins was asked by the Police to look over the case files to see if there was a ritualistic element to the murder.
Richard Hoskins was of the opinion that there was no satanic or ritualistic connection in the murder of Jodi.
None of his findings were used in court. He wrote about meeting the sio Dobbie in his book The Boy in The River. He said something along the lines of 'I don't know why he's called me in it already seems like he's made up his mind' and this is a direct quote "For one thing, he had an obsession with Marilyn Manson, the American singer. Dobbie felt that this might be significant".

Professor Paul Ekman
Lothian & Borders Police sent a copy of the Sky News interview with Luke Mitchell for him to analyse.
Professor Ekman couldn't say whether or not Luke was showing signs of deception, only that it was clear he had a high degree of contempt for the police and the media. He said in a Daily Record article;
"There were signs he was concealing his contempt for the police, but he might be innocent and have a lot of contempt for the police, so there was nothing definitive that said he had murdered this girl."
"There are cases like this where I can't tell - or sometimes people are just not asked the right question."
Despite Professor Ekman saying that he couldn't say anything definitive based on the interview, the interview was shown to the Jury with No expert guidance on how it should be interpreted as evidence.

When you look at this case with hindsight signs of a moral panic about Marilyn Manson and 'goth culture' clearly show through.

Remember the whole basis for the investigation into Luke wasn't about hard evidence, it was fuelled by a theory that the police put forward that Luke was obsessed with Manson and wanted to replicate the paintings Manson had done of the Black Dahlia. At appeal none of this evidence was to be founded upon but it had been the focus of the investigation and the media throughout.

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Re: Likely Profile of The Perp
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2022, 09:35:AM »
It's interesting to note that there were 2 very dangerous individuals around the area at the time, Robert green and Alan Roberts. It's not known if they were looked into because the police always say they're not interested in other suspects because Luke Mitchell in in Jail.

The police were very interested in profiling and criminal psychology in this case. Especially since there was no direct evidence to link Luke to the crime. None of it really matched Luke Mitchell though.

The police flew out to Quantico to consult with the BAU at the FBI. This wasn't used at trial I don't think it would be admissible anyway but there was an article published recently that suggests it pointed away from Luke Mitchell.

Richard Hoskins was asked by the Police to look over the case files to see if there was a ritualistic element to the murder.
Richard Hoskins was of the opinion that there was no satanic or ritualistic connection in the murder of Jodi.
None of his findings were used in court. He wrote about meeting the sio Dobbie in his book The Boy in The River. He said something along the lines of 'I don't know why he's called me in it already seems like he's made up his mind' and this is a direct quote "For one thing, he had an obsession with Marilyn Manson, the American singer. Dobbie felt that this might be significant".

Professor Paul Ekman
Lothian & Borders Police sent a copy of the Sky News interview with Luke Mitchell for him to analyse.
Professor Ekman couldn't say whether or not Luke was showing signs of deception, only that it was clear he had a high degree of contempt for the police and the media. He said in a Daily Record article;
"There were signs he was concealing his contempt for the police, but he might be innocent and have a lot of contempt for the police, so there was nothing definitive that said he had murdered this girl."
"There are cases like this where I can't tell - or sometimes people are just not asked the right question."
Despite Professor Ekman saying that he couldn't say anything definitive based on the interview, the interview was shown to the Jury with No expert guidance on how it should be interpreted as evidence.

When you look at this case with hindsight signs of a moral panic about Marilyn Manson and 'goth culture' clearly show through.

Remember the whole basis for the investigation into Luke wasn't about hard evidence, it was fuelled by a theory that the police put forward that Luke was obsessed with Manson and wanted to replicate the paintings Manson had done of the Black Dahlia. At appeal none of this evidence was to be founded upon but it had been the focus of the investigation and the media throughout.

Are these the individuals you are referring to?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-21600164

https://www.scotsman.com/news/rape-kit-man-begins-life-sentence-sex-attack-2470061

The whole Marilyn Manson thing is utterly ludicrous.  The following youtube vid shows Manson's cover of Annie Lennox's 'Sweet Dreams' was viewed 217,668,760 times. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUvVdTlA23w

Its what young people do!  In my parents day it was Rock 'n' Roll.  In my day it was Punk and New Romantics.  For those of Luke's generation it was Marilyn Manson under various genres including 'Shock Rock'! 

The fact investigators were unable to find any evidence on Luke's electronic devices of the tenuous link between Manson and the Black Dahlia shows it as a non-starter.