Did Bamber's AM give him the confidence to commit the massacre?

[Adam]

Yes me to QC I am also glad that Adam does not mention flippers anymore 

Never have.

Don't lie.

[Adam]

in fairness Adam. A bicycle was at his cottage. And nothing more. No tyre tracks were discovered through the back lane. It remains purely speculative and in fairness no more than the prosecutions narrative

That's been a big problem for him since 1985.

And a gift for the prosecution.

[Rob_]

He cycles back. Even QC says PC Wilkinson managed in 16 minutes. And he wasn't in a hurry.

There is not time Adam, so I think we can rule out the faked call from WHF to his cottage. Where does that leave us? Oh yes he was simply lying about the Nevil call, but then why the delay?

It's like the origin of life! DNA needs proteins and proteins need DNA!

[ILB]

The bike is essential if Jeremy staged the call - and even then, it would have been very difficult.  If you search back through recent posts, you will find I had Adam all over the place with times. 

Adam deliberately posts repetitively to the Forum in order to bury embarrassing exchanges between myself and him (and with others, such as Rob) where he has been caught out.

Staging the call would also have required an answering machine, but Jeremy did not have one before the incident.  This is now established on a logical basis: i.e. no evidence he had one before, no-one remembers one despite staying at the cottage, and he could not have planned the call as there was no phone by the bed in the main bedroom.  It is only Adam who chooses to ignore all this.

In fairness the bike isn't essentials it's 1985. And it's early Wednesday morning in rural sleepy Essex. He could have if gulity drove to WHF. It's not 2022 with Uber eat drivers etc. It was a different way of life back then

[Adam]

There is not time Adam, so I think we can rule out the faked call from WHF to his cottage. Where does that leave us? Oh yes he was simply lying about the Nevil call, but then why the delay?

It's like the origin of life! DNA needs proteins and proteins need DNA!

I have just given QC's Wilkinson source.

Keep up.

[Steve_uk]

There is not time Adam, so I think we can rule out the faked call from WHF to his cottage. Where does that leave us? Oh yes he was simply lying about the Nevil call, but then why the delay?

It's like the origin of life! DNA needs proteins and proteins need DNA!

This is the crux of the case. He has to change clothing and compose himself before his next move.

[Adam]

This is the crux of the case. He has to change clothing and compose himself before his next move.

Rob is making his own rules. Saying there is no time.

I have said to him he changes after ringing Chelmsford police.

Plenty of time before arriving back at WHF to insinuate Sheila.

[guest29835]

In fairness the bike isn't essentials it's 1985. And it's early Wednesday morning in rural sleepy Essex. He could have if gulity drove to WHF. It's not 2022 with Uber eat drivers etc. It was a different way of life back then

Using his car would have been madness, in my view.  He lived right in the middle of a village.  Sleepy or not, anybody could have seen him. Even just going on foot is very risky.  The bike is risky enough.

[Rob_]

This is the crux of the case. He has to change clothing and compose himself before his next move.

But he does not have to Steve, he changes, tidies himself up and when he is ready phones 999 or the police as he is under no time constraints if lying about the call from Nevil.

[Adam]

But he does not have to Steve, he changes, tidies himself up and when he is ready phones 999 or the police as he is under no time constraints if lying about the call from Nevil.

He can't too long if he has rang his AM.

Around 15 mimutes is fine.

Plenty of time to change/wash after speaking to the police.

[Rob_]

Rob is making his own rules. Saying there is no time.

I have said to him he changes after ringing Chelmsford police.

Plenty of time before arriving back at WHF to insinuate Sheila.

Not making my own rules Adam, just trying to make your scenario work but sorry I can't.

He has got 15 minutes from making the call to his answer phone, it will take 5 minutes to get out the window!

[ILB]

Using his car would have been madness, in my view.  He lived right in the middle of a village.  Sleepy or not, anybody could have seen him. Even just going on foot is very risky.  The bike is risky enough.

We will never know even if gulity.

If gulity he could just have had luck on his side. That nobody had identified him on his murderous travels..

I think if gulity personally he went by car. I think his adrenalin would have been pumping after the massacre and he would want a swift exit. It could explain that he drove out to dispose of his murder clothes that were never found or discovered in any event?.

A car although riskier, is a quicker option. He could if gulity just have got lucky in the aspect.

Head street in goldhanger is sleepy. At that time the vast majority of people in the midweek, especially in 1985 would have been fast on asleep in bed. The journey to WHF gets even sleepier.

He could have done it by car easy IMO

[Adam]

We will never know even if gulity.

If gulity he could just have had luck on his side. That nobody had identified him on his murderous travels..

I think if gulity personally he went by car. I think his adrenalin would have been pumping after the massacre and he would want a swift exit. It could explain that he drove out to dispose of his murder clothes that were never found or discovered in any event?.

A car although riskier, is a quicker option. He could if gulity just have got lucky in the aspect.

Head street in goldhanger is sleepy. At that time the vast majority of people in the midweek, especially in 1985 would have been fast on asleep in bed. The journey to WHF gets even sleepier.

He could have done it by car easy IMO

OJ drove & even shouted at another driver who upset him.

There was no CCTV then. So he may have a route quiet route where he could park his car out of sight.

But why incriminate himself by leaving June's bike at his cottage?

[ILB]

OJ drove & even shouted at another driver who upset him.

There was no CCTV then. So he may have a route quiet route where he could park his car out of sight.

But why incriminate himself by leaving June's bike at his cottage?

he doesn't incriminate himself though does he exactly,?

The police could suggest he used his car

He could suggest he borrowed the bicycle for a mundane reason. He says he borrowed it for Julie doesn't he??

Do you agree he could do it by car? I think he could

[ILB]

The bicycle can be used just as a possible mode of transport and nothing more. It's an available option. Nothing proves he used it Nothing one iota