Nevill's mistakes with Sheila:

[Cambridgecutie]

Elephants and Grizzly Bears are becoming endangered species.  Why don't they use their massive height, weight & strength advantage to negate the humans that hunt them? 

Bet you're outraged by all the boozing @ No 10! 

BYOB...Indeedy!

Hic!

[Adam]

This isn't saying that.

Bamber is being flippant again - 'Do you want an itemisation of everything I bought in the house'.

It is not saying he kept bills. Just that he could write out a list.

[lookout]

Jeremy is innocent !

[ILB]

James Richards' evidence is quite possibly the silliest ever heard in an English criminal trial.  I can only think that Geoffrey Rivlin, Q.C., never objected because he thought the jury would come to the same conclusion. 

He wasn't 'dragged' there, though.  He was an enthusiastic witness for the Crown, for reasons I won't divulge here but are perhaps obvious to anybody skilled at reading between the lines of situations.

to be fair though QC he hardly knew Jeremy. If some random guy said that to me I'd have forgot it about it twenty minutes down the line

From what I have gathered richards and Jeremy hardly knew each other wasn't he Julie's mate?

Pure poison cherry picking by the coppers prosecution.

[JackieD]

to be fair though QC he hardly knew Jeremy. If some random guy said that to me I'd have forgot it about it twenty minutes down the line

From what I have gathered richards and Jeremy hardly knew each other wasn't he Julie's mate?

Pure poison cherry picking by the coppers prosecution.

That is so clear

[lookout]

to be fair though QC he hardly knew Jeremy. If some random guy said that to me I'd have forgot it about it twenty minutes down the line

From what I have gathered richards and Jeremy hardly knew each other wasn't he Julie's mate?

Pure poison cherry picking by the coppers prosecution.

And cherry-picked all through the trial with their statements.

[arthur]

For Bamber to have staged the call from WHF he has to have an answer machine switched on. Otherwise the call would not be answered and therefor not logged with exchange.

If he just claimed Nevill called him he was running the risk that the Police could check with the telephone exchange as to whether any such call was made.

On the thread starter point I believe it would be almost impossible for Sheila to come through the massacre relatively unscathed. Which is the point Adam was making.

Nevill putting up such a fight for his life was not part of the plan. JB most probably thought he could finish off Nevill reasonably quickly.

[Adam]

For Bamber to have staged the call from WHF he has to have an answer machine switched on. Otherwise the call would not be answered and therefor not logged with exchange.

If he just claimed Nevill called him he was running the risk that the Police could check with the telephone exchange as to whether any such call was made.

On the thread starter point I believe it would be almost impossible for Sheila to come through the massacre relatively unscathed. Which is the point Adam was making.

Nevill putting up such a fight for his life was not part of the plan. JB most probably thought he could finish off Nevill reasonably quickly.

For someone who was head of a family, farm, businesses, the family fortunes, courts, & a former RAF pilot, Nevill  showed great weakness with Sheila.

Ringing someone's AM he employed as a farm labourer. Together with other huge mistakes which are in the thread post.

[David1819]

For Bamber to have staged the call from WHF he has to have an answer machine switched on. Otherwise the call would not be answered and therefor not logged with exchange.

If he just claimed Nevill called him he was running the risk that the Police could check with the telephone exchange as to whether any such call was made.

On the thread starter point I believe it would be almost impossible for Sheila to come through the massacre relatively unscathed. Which is the point Adam was making.

Nevill putting up such a fight for his life was not part of the plan. JB most probably thought he could finish off Nevill reasonably quickly.

Nevill never put up a "fight for his life". He was already shot four times, incapacitating one of his arms before he entered the kitchen.

[Adam]

For Bamber to have staged the call from WHF he has to have an answer machine switched on. Otherwise the call would not be answered and therefor not logged with exchange.

If he just claimed Nevill called him he was running the risk that the Police could check with the telephone exchange as to whether any such call was made.

On the thread starter point I believe it would be almost impossible for Sheila to come through the massacre relatively unscathed. Which is the point Adam was making.

Nevill putting up such a fight for his life was not part of the plan. JB most probably thought he could finish off Nevill reasonably quickly.

He would have called his AM before 3am. Just before he left WHF. 

Then cycled back & called Julie just after 3am. Then the police at 3.26am.

He told the police Nevill called him 'around 3.10am'. Later saying the delay in calling the police was due to him looking for the number of Chelmsford Police.

He flip/flopped around over whether he called Julie before or after the police.

[Adam]

If the massacre was 10 years later when phone bills were itemised, he would know for sure he would have to leave a message on his AM.

He would also know he would have to be quicker in phoning the police after phoning his cottage from WHF. A 15 minute gap would have to be justified by saying he looked for the number of Chelmsford Police.

[Adam]

For someone who was head of a family, farm, businesses, the family fortunes, courts, & a former RAF pilot, Nevill  showed great weakness with Sheila.

Ringing someone's AM he employed as a farm labourer. Together with other huge mistakes which are in the thread post.

If BT could trace calls in 1985 (they couldn't), the police would have challenged him over his 'around 3.10am' time.

Bamber could say he was half asleep & then in a panic. So must have got the time wrong.

[Adam]

If BT could trace calls in 1985 (they couldn't), the police would have challenged him over his 'around 3.10am' time.

Bamber could say he was half asleep & then in a panic. So must have got the time wrong.

It would be better for him to say 'around 3.10am' rather than the actual time he would have called his AM - in my view around 2.50am.

A gap of over 30 minutes before phoning the police cannot be justified.

He either knew or suspected BT couldn't trace calls.

[ILB]

It would be better for him to say 'around 3.10am' rather than the actual time he would have called his AM - in my view around 2.50am.

A gap of over 30 minutes before phoning the police cannot be justified.

He either knew or suspected BT couldn't trace calls.

To be fair Adam that doesn't fit with the narrative of Bamber claiming in his September 1985 police interviews that they should check with the provider to prove the said calls took place. If he was lying about that. Then he was taking a huge risk. So he must have had some belief that they could be.

[Adam]

To be fair Adam that doesn't fit with the narrative of Bamber claiming in his September 1985 police interviews that they should check with the provider to prove the said calls took place. If he was lying about that. Then he was taking a huge risk. So he must have had some belief that they could be.

Believe he asked them if they could check.

He either knew they couldn't. Or he had covered himself by phoning his AM.

It is possible he didn't know & had not rang his AM. So confident he was in his plan. In that case he would be panicking when suspiscious police started asking about phone calls.