If it wisnae him, who was it? Initial Reaction After Reading Case Summaries

[guest29835]

That's a very good point CC, though statistically I'm sure it's remote. Don't respond to the abuse: we know the perpetrator who initiates then dismisses with disdain the notion that he is in any way responsible.

You, she and Adam start the abuse.  I won't allow you to get away with affecting to hold a moral high ground that your low morals don't warrant.

[Bubo bubo]

That's a very good point CC, though statistically I'm sure it's remote. Don't respond to the abuse: we know the perpetrator who initiates then dismisses with disdain the notion that he is in any way responsible.

I had already responded to QT which asked me to clarify my statements. You have also responded to the good point she makes but you have 'Tagged' it with another snipe at QC. Can you all stop this pointless points scoring and address the issues like adults.

[nugnug]

i think she was probely kiled later than was liameda timeof death couldent be given by the patholgist i just cant see a body being there that long in daylight in a publi place and nobody seeing i think the timeofdeath alleged by the polie must b wrong.

[killingeve]

Sandra has admitted she can post all the evidence on here. She has given us a few snippets and even that made Lukes guilt more apparent.

You dont want to end up like Nugnug. Spending 10 years on a wild goose chase because he fell for Sandra and Corrines BS hook line and sinker.

Why doesn't she then? 

Do they read this forum?

[killingeve]

i think she was probely kiled later than was liameda timeof death couldent be given by the patholgist i just cant see a body being there that long in daylight in a publi place and nobody seeing i think the timeofdeath alleged by the polie must b wrong.

The body was somewhat hidden in all the foilage?

[Steve_uk]

i think she was probely kiled later than was liameda timeof death couldent be given by the patholgist i just cant see a body being there that long in daylight in a publi place and nobody seeing i think the timeofdeath alleged by the polie must b wrong.

It was quite thick undergrowth nugnug, off the main path.

[guest29835]

I had already responded to QT which asked me to clarify my statements. You have also responded to the good point she makes but you have 'Tagged' it with another snipe at QC. Can you all stop this pointless points scoring and address the issues like adults.

They are here for a reason.  It's not just childish bickering.  It's being done on purpose to discourage posting that is critical of the case against Jeremy Bamber.

I must also reflect on the irony that I started this thread and other threads in this sub-forum on the Luke Mitchell case, with the result that the sub-forum is active again.  I do contribute to the Forum.  I have also tried to persuade Mike and NGB1066 to moderate the Forum more stringently, but they won't.

[nugnug]

It was quite thick undergrowth nugnug, off the main path.

but there was blood all over the wall and on the path now im ure some would of spoted that in daylight anyway.

[Bubo bubo]

but there was blood all over the wall and on the path now im ure some would of spoted that in daylight anyway.

Not necessarily since the path was shaded by the trees and she was behind/ on the other side of the wall. She was not found on the main path as far as I am aware.
 Is it possible she was attacked on the path and tried to escape by clambering over the wall while injured if her blood was on the path and wall?

[nugnug]

people walk there dogs down that path it rather suprises me that a dog wouldent of smelt the blood.

[killingeve]

If she was found naked, that does seem to me a further point against him.  It implies she knew and trusted the assailant.  If somebody had threatened her at knife point and told her to strip, she could have fled.

The deceased's body was naked apart from her socks. Her trousers had been used to tie her hands behind her back. Her clothing had been extensively cut and torn with a sharp, bladed implement such as a knife.

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=26ab8aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7

[killingeve]

Much has been made about the fact that Luke made a call to the speaking clock at 1654.  And yet we are told text messages made on Mrs Jones' phone between Jodie and Luke that preceded this call were not preserved.  On what basis were they lost?  I believe mobile phone forensics can in most cases recover lost data? 

[10] The deceased's freedom to go out of an evening was restricted by her mother in the weeks prior to her death, but she was released from that restriction on the afternoon of the murder. She arrived home at around 1605 hours. At 1635 she used her mother's mobile phone to send a text message to the appellant. The appellant responded at 1636. A further text was sent by the deceased to him at 1638. The terms of these text messages were not preserved. The deceased left her house at about 1650, informing her mother that she was going to meet the appellant and would be "mucking about up here". At 1654 a call was made from the appellant's mobile telephone to the speaking clock.

[Bubo bubo]

View David’s profileDavid Scofield
David Scofield  8:22 PM
Much has been made about the fact that Luke made a call to the speaking clock at 1654.  And yet we are told text messages made on Mrs Jones' phone between Jodie and Luke that preceded this call were not preserved.  On what basis were they lost?  I believe mobile phone forensics can in most cases recover lost data? 

[10] The deceased's freedom to go out of an evening was restricted by her mother in the weeks prior to her death, but she was released from that restriction on the afternoon of the murder. She arrived home at around 1605 hours. At 1635 she used her mother's mobile phone to send a text message to the appellant. The appellant responded at 1636. A further text was sent by the deceased to him at 1638. The terms of these text messages were not preserved. The deceased left her house at about 1650, informing her mother that she was going to meet the appellant and would be "mucking about up here". At 1654 a call was made from the appellant's mobile telephone to the speaking clock.

I see this aspect as a cul-de-sac. Mobile phones were still pretty basic in 2003. The first iphone came out in 2007. The most popular at the time was the infamous Nokia 3310. With these early phones it was easier to delete messages by mistake. You could delete the latest text but on some phones if you pressed a button twice it would switch to delete all.

There are too many variables to this aspect to reach any conclusion.

They always deleted their messages so their parents could not know what they were up to with regard to sex and drug issues. Why was JJ under a curfew? They deleted them because storage was limited. JJ deleted them because she was texting other individuals. LM was just playing with his phone while he waited. Most phones had up to four basic games. He was checking the time because his watch was playing up and she was late. He was just doodling with the phone. A less than tec savvy police man deleted them in error. The messages hinted at an alternative suspect and they deleted them to cover up their mistakes.

One can go on forever with this but ultimately it is unresolvable and may not relate in any way to the killing.

They do provide aspects of the full timeline.

[killingeve]

I see this aspect as a cul-de-sac. Mobile phones were still pretty basic in 2003. The first iphone came out in 2007. The most popular at the time was the infamous Nokia 3310. With these early phones it was easier to delete messages by mistake. You could delete the latest text but on some phones if you pressed a button twice it would switch to delete all.

There are too many variables to this aspect to reach any conclusion.

They always deleted their messages so their parents could not know what they were up to with regard to sex and drug issues. Why was JJ under a curfew? They deleted them because storage was limited. JJ deleted them because she was texting other individuals. LM was just playing with his phone while he waited. Most phones had up to four basic games. He was checking the time because his watch was playing up and she was late. He was just doodling with the phone. A less than tec savvy police man deleted them in error. The messages hinted at an alternative suspect and they deleted them to cover up their mistakes.

One can go on forever with this but ultimately it is unresolvable and may not relate in any way to the killing.

They do provide aspects of the full timeline.

At what point did investigators realise the importance of these text messages?  Did Mrs Jones make available her phone?  Did any expert attempt to recover the data?  These texts are surely pivotal because would have said where, when, time meeting?  Were jurors aware of these lost text messages? 

[killingeve]

i think she was probely kiled later than was liameda timeof death couldent be given by the patholgist i just cant see a body being there that long in daylight in a publi place and nobody seeing i think the timeofdeath alleged by the polie must b wrong.

Cyclist Leonard Kelly cycled by the area Jodie was found circa 5pm and heard a "strangling" sound. 

Is Leonard Kelly any relation to Steven Kelly - Jodi's sister's boyfriend?