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Bamber's best option after the massacre.
« on: January 03, 2022, 06:39:AM »
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Re: Bamber's best option after the massacre.
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2022, 06:44:AM »
A lot depends on whether BW or the housekeeper were due at WHF that day.

If they were not, doubtful any of the farm workers would need to speak to anyone inside WHF. They would have set work to do.

Bamber would have to be the one discovering the bodies. But without having the opportunity to create a 4 hour siege situation & insinuate Sheila to the police.
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Re: Bamber's best option after the massacre.
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2022, 06:47:AM »
Bamber could make a big fuss outside WHF to other farm workers. Saying there is no answer from inside WHF & all the doors are locked. Eventually ringing a locksmith or gaining entry himself.
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Re: Bamber's best option after the massacre.
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2022, 06:49:AM »
Not going to work that day would be suspicious. Unless he had proof that Nevill had given him that day off.

Lots of work to do at that time of the year.

As said, it will depend if other people were due at WHF & whether they would raise an alarm that day if there was no answer.
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Re: Bamber's best option after the massacre.
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2022, 06:58:AM »
Having someone else discover the bodies, at least does not round the suspects down to two.

However still likely Bamber would become a suspect.

No guarantee someone else would raise an alarm & Bamber can't avoid WHF for long.
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Re: Bamber's best option after the massacre.
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2022, 07:01:AM »
Bamber was also the last person inside WHF - for supper. So would be a suspect.
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Re: Bamber's best option after the massacre.
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2022, 09:01:AM »
A lot depends on whether BW or the housekeeper were due at WHF that day.

If they were not, doubtful any of the farm workers would need to speak to anyone inside WHF. They would have set work to do.

Bamber would have to be the one discovering the bodies. But without having the opportunity to create a 4 hour siege situation & insinuate Sheila to the police.
I can only surmise that they would have been. It been a normal weekday

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Re: Bamber's best option after the massacre.
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2022, 10:25:AM »
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Re: Bamber's best option after the massacre.
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2022, 10:36:AM »
I couldn't vote because my option wasn't visible.

I can add to the poll.
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Re: Bamber's best option after the massacre.
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2022, 10:49:AM »
I don't think there was any question. He HAD to be certain that police knew he hadn't been near the soc or he would, indeed, have been the first suspect, needing to clarify his every movement. In effect, he'd have been in a defensive position. Instead, by giving himself that alibi, and fudging the real time line, he put himself in the attack/superior position, answering the questions before they could be put to him

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Re: Bamber's best option after the massacre.
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2022, 11:16:AM »
I can only surmise that they would have been. It been a normal weekday

Both BW & the housekeeper could get inside. If Bamber had unlocked the front door from inside.

They could alert the police & Bamber.

Bamber could go to work as usual & say he didn't need to visit WHF beforehand.
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Re: Bamber's best option after the massacre.
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2022, 11:50:AM »
Both BW & the housekeeper could get inside. If Bamber had unlocked the front door from inside.

They could alert the police & Bamber.

Bamber could go to work as usual & say he didn't need to visit WHF beforehand.
Wouldn't Bamber need to speak to Nevill before starting work though. To see what task needed to be allocated to him. Seeing as though Nevill was the man at the top?

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Re: Bamber's best option after the massacre.
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2022, 12:35:PM »
Wouldn't Bamber need to speak to Nevill before starting work though. To see what task needed to be allocated to him. Seeing as though Nevill was the man at the top?

He could say he didn't need to. Being a long term farm worker, some days he would just go straight ti work.

Or that he had discussed this with Nevill the day earlier.
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Re: Bamber's best option after the massacre.
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2022, 01:03:PM »
Good question, all of the options are problematic but it does seem more likely that he had planned to call the police. It's difficult to think of a perfect way to murder 5 members of your family and get away with it but pinning the blame on your schizophrenic sister is probably one of the better ones, especially with the assumptions about schizophrenia and mental illness that were more prevalent in the 80's.

Remember him breaking in to WHF after the murders "to get his passport" - a move that was described as either stupid or brilliant by the court. Stupid is self explanatory but brilliant describes a cunning mind.

To repeat myself and others though, for this plan to work he either has to make a call from WHF to his answerphone and hurry back or he has to invent the call. For this to be carefully planned he must first be sure that phone records wouldn't exist to trip him up. In his first witness statement he claims he called the police immediately after not being able to get through to WHF but he subsequently muddies the waters by changing his mind, adding 10 minutes to look in the phone book, call Julie or not call Julie etc - Is this an understandable confusion after being woken up in the small hours and then confronted with a tragedy or was it the deliberate obfuscations of a cunning man?
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Re: Bamber's best option after the massacre.
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2022, 01:13:PM »
Whatever JB he wasn't cunning at all. In fact if he hadn't been proven to be as intelligent as he is I'd have said at the beginning that he'd been a bit " backward ", as nobody in their right mind enters a window like he did to retrieve his passport.