A Jeremy Scenario

[Munksa]

Whereas, in reality, they were in complete control and making it look "completely deranged".

Exactly!

[Jane]

He could have missed if he wanted to Jane? I don't understand your line of logic?

He COULD have, certainly, but ultimately, he wanted them dead, which meant that any deliberately missed shots potentially gave opportunities for fight or flight.

[Munksa]

He could have missed if he wanted to Jane? I don't understand your line of logic?

But for many supporters I have come across those many shots are enough to convience them it was Sheila. And I am sure that's all Bamber needed. What we think is irrelevant, if it made sense to Bamber that's all that matters.

[killingeve]

Sheila had been malleable but I can't say the same for either parent, which means that they had reached the stage of rigor mortis, Sheila was only at the beginning of livor mortis. A big difference, about 2 hours in fact.

But the expert witness by way of Dr Criag said otherwise.  And for those who find Dr Craig an unreliable witness, albeit there's no rational reason why, there's also CSI Harris who had decades of experience and presided over numerous murders.  Afaik not a single police officer commented that there was any noticeable differences between the victims in terms of post mortem appearance.  This extends to DCI Jones who made no such notes in his notebook despite observing other highly relevant data eg bloodstains and state of all windows and doors.  And yet 'supporters' believe they can see things in scene of crime images that those physically present completely overlooked!     Just more desperation and utter nonsense from 'supporters'. 

[David1819]

Some who have used this gun will not agree to the one I have in bold.

What fight wounds? Evidence of this please. Thanks

He thinks streaks of bloodstains that dripped on Sheila's right arm (from the gunshot wounds to her neck) are actually fight wounds that June inflicted on Sheila despite being shot five times in bed. Then Vanezis and EP conspired to conceal these from day one. 

If I had to believe in a conspiracy theory involving EP. It would be them sending in Bill Robertson as a saboteur to spread crazy ideas on this forum and to misdirect the campaign team. Bill could even be an alias for Mick Ainsley!   

[Rob_]

But for many supporters I have come across those many shots are enough to convience them it was Sheila. And I am sure that's all Bamber needed. What we think is irrelevant, if it made sense to Bamber that's all that matters.

No you miss my point which is no skill was needed to carry out the shootings, BUT whoever did it was completely deranged.

[Jane]

No you miss my point which is no skill was needed to carry out the shootings, BUT whoever did it was completely deranged.

The late Les Dawson, on occasions, made an absolute cock-up of playing the piano. In reality, he was an excellent pianist and it took as much skill to play the right notes in the wrong order, as it did to play them as written.

[lookout]

But the expert witness by way of Dr Criag said otherwise.  And for those who find Dr Craig an unreliable witness, albeit there's no rational reason why, there's also CSI Harris who had decades of experience and presided over numerous murders.  Afaik not a single police officer commented that there was any noticeable differences between the victims in terms of post mortem appearance.  This extends to DCI Jones who made no such notes in his notebook despite observing other highly relevant data eg bloodstains and state of all windows and doors.  And yet 'supporters' believe they can see things in scene of crime images that those physically present completely overlooked!     Just more desperation and utter nonsense from 'supporters'.

" Utter nonsense" is also the usual typical snide response that comes from guilters on numerous occasions if we supporters happen to come across something that doesn't sit right too !
You're not the only ones who can have their say you know, although you've got it easier !

[lookout]

You need to go to Specsavers if you can't see that they didn't all die at once !

[Rob_]

The late Les Dawson, on occasions, made an absolute cock-up of playing the piano. In reality, he was an excellent pianist and it took as much skill to play the right notes in the wrong order, as it did to play them as written.

I agree Jane, but Sheila cannot be eliminated as a suspect as to me no skill was required to carry out the shootings. The shooter just had to be seriously mentally ill.

[killingeve]

" Utter nonsense" is also the usual typical snide response that comes from guilters on numerous occasions if we supporters happen to come across something that doesn't sit right too !
You're not the only ones who can have their say you know, although you've got it easier !

If its not utter nonsense what are you relying on as evidence to show that Sheila died significantly later than the other victims? 

[Munksa]

He thinks streaks of bloodstains that dripped on Sheila's right arm (from the gunshot wounds to her neck) are actually fight wounds that June inflicted on Sheila despite being shot five times in bed. Then Vanezis and EP conspired to conceal these from day one. 

If I had to believe in a conspiracy theory involving EP. It would be them sending in Bill Robertson as a saboteur to spread crazy ideas on this forum and to misdirect the campaign team. Bill could even be an alias for Mick Ainsley!   

Thanks. I think I read in one of the post but wasn't sure it was Roch. But asked him as he made the claim here.

If we can stick to topic like this we can have a decent conversation, there is always enough room to learn and sometimes unlearn too.

[killingeve]

You need to go to Specsavers if you can't see that they didn't all die at once !

Try telling that then to Dr Craig, Prof Vanezis, Prof Knight, CSI Harris and DCI Jones.  At the time of the murders these guys had literally hundreds of years of experience between them.  All believed Sheila was responsible apart from Prof Vanezis who said he found nothing to contradict the murder/suicide theory.  If it is as obvious as you would have us believe why didn't any use it to support their position ie that Sheila was responsible?

[Munksa]

The late Les Dawson, on occasions, made an absolute cock-up of playing the piano. In reality, he was an excellent pianist and it took as much skill to play the right notes in the wrong order, as it did to play them as written.

Lol Jane your answers crack me up 😆

[Munksa]

Dr Craig at trial said the deaths could have occured at anytime during the previous night. If Sheila died much later than the other victims, to be more precise after the raid team entry Dr Craig would have definately known the difference. Of course the only other possibility is Dr. Craig lied. Everybody lied in this case, no one is left. Bloody hell this is a bigger than that of Princess Diana. But maybe because Jeremy Bamber is Lady Di's ex- step brother in law 😁 as claimed by the Boss Mr Teskowsky.

I saw a video of Mr Teskowsky in a fake American accent hahaha, absolutely bonkers. He is on a toilet seat I think with shift eyes as he speaks. Epic!

Fact is one cannot establish rigor and livor without examining the body certainly not from God knows how many  copies of the original one.