The Hyper-Reality Of Julie Mugford

[Adam]

If Sheila was sedated it would have to be given orally I believe, she would have been checked for needle marks?

So how does JB give it to her? her last meal was six hours or so before, if she falls asleep in the presence  of June and Nevil they would call an ambulance. So it needed to be something that was slow acting but would evade toxicology tests?

Another problem is it looks like her bed was not slept in, so if she was sedated this does not make sense, if she was given something and she started feeling tired she would have gone to bed?

Impossible to tell.

The evidence was she was found in her nightdress & bare footed. In other words - her bed attire.

[Rob_]

Impossible to tell.

The evidence was she was found in her nightdress & bare footed. In other words - her bed attire.

Yes I know she was in her nightdress Adam and bare footed, but the photographs I have seen seem to show her bed was not slept in? This does not fit with her being so sedated she would not fight for her life and those of her children.

[Rob_]

Bamber didn't sedate her. She was on Haloperiodal.

PV said she must have been sedated, Haloperiodal would not do this.

[guest29835]

If Sheila was sedated it would have to be given orally I believe, she would have been checked for needle marks?

So how does JB give it to her? her last meal was six hours or so before, if she falls asleep in the presence  of June and Nevil they would call an ambulance. So it needed to be something that was slow acting but would evade toxicology tests?

Another problem is it looks like her bed was not slept in, so if she was sedated this does not make sense, if she was given something and she started feeling tired she would have gone to bed?

Good points.

[lookout]

A lack of psychotic medication and possibly withdrawal feelings from cannabis was a time-bomb.

[Rob_]

A lack of psychotic medication and possibly withdrawal feelings from cannabis was a time-bomb.

Yes someone with Sheila's problems and also taking drugs would make the situation much worse, did Sheila's doctor prescribing her medication know she was taking drugs Lookout?

[lookout]

Yes someone with Sheila's problems and also taking drugs would make the situation much worse, did Sheila's doctor prescribing her medication know she was taking drugs Lookout?

Yes, Ferguson knew she was a heavy smoker of the waccy baccy.

[lookout]

Whether it was known about the snorting of cocaine at parties, I don't know but that would have added insult to injury too.
Sheila might even have been ranting about needing her " fix " if she'd already known about the" stuff" which was in the safe at WHF, since cousin Roland had stayed there. That would have driven her mad if her father wouldn't hand it over.

[Adam]

Yes I know she was in her nightdress Adam and bare footed, but the photographs I have seen seem to show her bed was not slept in? This does not fit with her being so sedated she would not fight for her life and those of her children.

Please post the photos. The only source of this I recall is from supporter Scott Lomax.

As said impossible to tell. It was summer. Sheila may have slept on top of the bed. I don't believe Bamber would make the bed as part of his staging.

[Adam]

A fully fit Nevill would have instantly negated Sheila. So the possibility she had put on her nightie & then stayed up (bare footed) until Nevill rang Bamber is a non starter.

Sheila's attire (and Nevill's) suggest she was asleep when Bamber converged.

[Adam]

If Sheila had woken & got up mid massacre, she may have put on footwear or a dressing gown. Or both. It was a big & messy house.

Sheila being found bare footed & in just a nightie, again suggests she slept through the massacre.

[lookout]

I do try my best to establish just the right ambience for our readers.

A little bit of jazz for you, Adam, to help while you're reading:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW5-QMnF6PY

Mike's agreed to lay on the coffees and Danishes.

That's lovely. I thought it was Jacques Loussier at first, but it isn't. I have a CD of him " playing Bach ".

[Steve_uk]

I'm sure Julie Smerchanski can kick off her shoes after a hard day's work at the office and relax with your music choices.  Let's unpick your post a little. You are at pains to separate the ingenue 19-year-old Julie Mugford from the woman she has now become: family-oriented, successful, a charity worker. Yet it seems behind the benevolence on this point there is still a thirst for vengeance to satisfy your clientele. Now which is it?


You also continue to use the word "charade" when discussing Julie's statements, and even put it in quotation marks, yet she never used that word. But don't let truth become a casualty of your long-winded, irrelevant and fanciful posts, even though I point things out which might deceive the rookie member.

You run down Julie in the personal and professional sphere. Don't tell me Julie wasn't pretty in her day, and don't tell me the teaching profession is for Mr. or Miss Average when you yourself achieved nothing of that level. You run down Julie again later in the thread by chastising her for not falling for a bespectacled Physics student, in the days when 1 in 10 made it to university, not the mass social institution you seem to imply.

So Jeremy was working at Sloppy Joe's in Colchester and Little Chef off the A12. The point you overlook is that he wished to do anything but farming: anything to get away from his parents' influence at White House Farm. Julie herself worked at Maldon Growers and also took other employment in France.

Yes Julie was humiliated by Jeremy. Finally you get it. Who is calling the shots in the relationship if Jeremy is womanizing under her nose, whilst she decorates Bourtree Cottage during her well-earned Easter break?

Again there is truth in your observation that Jeremy liked the label Rich Man in Waiting, or at least the first two words. The point was as he told PC Lay outside that charnel house which was White House Farm that August morning: he wanted a £38,000 Porsche to pull the birds, so five had to die, including two six-year-old twin boys, whose brains were left splattered on the bedhead behind.

[Adam]

I'm sure Julie Smerchanski can kick off her shoes after a hard day's work at the office and relax with your music choices.  Let's unpick your post a little. You are at pains to separate the ingenue 19-year-old Julie Mugford from the woman she has now become: family-oriented, successful, a charity worker. Yet it seems behind the benevolence on this point there is still a thirst for vengeance to satisfy your clientele. Now which is it?


You also continue to use the word "charade" when discussing Julie's statements, and even put it in quotation marks, yet she never used that word. But don't let truth become a casualty of your long-winded, irrelevant and fanciful posts, even though I point things out which might deceive the rookie member.

You run down Julie in the personal and professional sphere. Don't tell me Julie wasn't pretty in her day, and don't tell me the teaching profession is for Mr. or Miss Average when you yourself achieved nothing of that level. You run down Julie again later in the thread by chastising her for not falling for a bespectacled Physics student, in the days when 1 in 10 made it to university, not the mass social institution you seem to imply.

So Jeremy was working at Sloppy Joe's in Colchester and Little Chef off the A12. The point you overlook is that he wished to do anything but farming: anything to get away from his parents' influence at White House Farm. Julie herself worked at Maldon Growers and also took other employment in France.

Yes Julie was humiliated by Jeremy. Finally you get it. Who is calling the shots in the relationship if Jeremy is womanizing under her nose, whilst she decorates Bourtree Cottage during her well-earned Easter break?

Again there is truth in your observation that Jeremy liked the label Rich Man in Waiting, or at least the first two words. The point was as he told PC Lay outside that charnel house which was White House Farm that August morning: he wanted a £38,000 Porsche to pull the birds, so five had to die, including two six-year-old twin boys, whose brains were left splattered on the bedhead behind.

Don't we all.

[Rob_]

Please post the photos. The only source of this I recall is from supporter Scott Lomax.

As said impossible to tell. It was summer. Sheila may have slept on top of the bed. I don't believe Bamber would make the bed as part of his staging.

A newbie giving a hero member info Adam!